The rule of law or not

[mbrownn]

Its very interesting how this thread has evolved, starting out with the rule of Law or not and switching over to a real and genuine religious discussion. This is not accidental nor is it planned. Let me explain.

To have a functioning society there has to be actions that are considered beneficial to society, there are also actions that would be detrimental. The rule of law was intended to make it clear to people what would be accepted and what wouldn't be for that particular society. If you don't like one particular society then you have three choices. Go along with it and keep your mouth shut, change it from within, or leave. Of course the the other alternative is war but I don't consider that a choice as it is force.

Religions have served the same function as rule of law, as far as society building is concerned, and so it is obvious that the two are interchangeable to some extent. The origin of both these systems occurred at the same time which was when way back in the time of cave men and no one can say exactly who did it or where. Of course there were leaders (whether chosen or imposed) who had great success with one or another of these systems, and so these leaders reputations spread.

Some of these leaders considered themselves above and beyond these boundaries that the society operated under. Whether it is true or not that they were special, whether reptilian, alien or something else, they were considered gods. Many of the leaders proclaimed themselves to be gods.

At this point your probably going to say I am a Darwinist non believer, but these are the facts, to the best of our knowledge, according to historical record. From my point of view, it is possible that these leaders could have been special in any of the ways I have just described, but we don't have any evidence one way or another. So it could be humans, aliens, reptiles or god(s) we just don't know. The same open mind also puts some of Darwin's work into question too.

Talking of scripture, be it of any domination, these same stories tend to be a part of it, for example we have Gin, Nephilim, demons or whatever. I suggest you do your own research into this. Do not accept any particular interpretation and question everything. Draw your own conclusions. It will take you into some dark, weird and wonderful places. You will even see where they got the ideas for that film Noah and why the film is both good and crap at the same time, probably more crap. You will understand what the so called leaders are saying in their speeches, you will know what the conspiracies are, you will see the propaganda and recognize it. There is so much to learn and the information is available if you look. When people say everything is possible, you will understand why. You will see why it is our interpretation that leads to our belief systems. Studying all the religions and not just one opens your mind.

We have relied too much on leaders interpreting everything for us, be them politicians, priests, media or monarchies. They have controlled us through these systems for long enough. Seek the truth and stand for what is right, you can do that under a religious guise if you like, as it possible that much of your belief system is true. But if you do, isn't it better that you know what your religion is, and where it came from? What is historical fact and what has been borrowed from other belief systems?

I'm not knocking you guys, I know what you are saying.

The rule of law and religion is the same thing, a method of organizing society. They have both been corrupted to a point where no one knows what is right or wrong, they are run by corrupt people and so we have to find the truth elsewhere. Where their corruption of the system is obviously wrong, do not obey it, and do not remain silent, or it will get worse.

[BroMikey]

Pretty dern good Brown

This is not accidental nor is it planned. Let me explain.

....................there were leaders (whether chosen or imposed) who had great success with one or another of these systems, and so these leaders reputations spread.

.................. whether reptilian, alien or something else, they were considered gods. Many of the leaders proclaimed themselves to be gods.


.................. So it could be humans, aliens, reptiles or god(s) we just don't know.


...................Draw your own conclusions. It will take you into some dark, weird and wonderful places.

We have relied too much on leaders interpreting everything for us, be them politicians, priests, media or monarchies.


I'm not knocking you guys, I know what you are saying.


The rule of law and religion is the same thing, a method of organizing society.


They have both been corrupted to a point where no one knows what is right or wrong, they are run by corrupt people and so we have to find the truth elsewhere.

Where their corruption of the system is obviously wrong, do not obey it, and do not remain silent, or it will get worse.

Hello Brown

These points above are of great importance and you were right when you said this

Brown Wrote: "So it could be humans, aliens, reptiles or god(s)"


I just wanted you to know Brown that they these are all one. The humans that play patsy to these dark forces channel these being into our existence to make a physical link from "THEIR" side to 'OUR SIDE".

Now before everyone gets to thinking I am writing some new script for another one of those ghost movies, I am not. Those movies give to much power to the forces of darkness.

The darkness is such a weak force in the light so I will not be glorifying these dogs. All I am saying time is ticking and the time will come for a show down on a worldwide scale not just one on one as always.

The channels are taking the bate and the rate of decline morally that our society has plunged into is by design. This is the LAW we speak of. Free fall is an expression revealed over in the underworld.

Make no mistake all that glitters is not gold, power is gold, money, control and finally we come to worship. After complete control comes worship is always demanded however dark leaders are never satisfied in the end.

The humans the reptiles, the little gods with their misshapen human resembling heads, will all roll in the presence of "THE KING" and that my friend is the other LAW.

So we have two sets of rule AKA "Rule of Law" and the one we speak of so often on these group lists refers to the awesome power of gravity or magnetism or some many other wondrous creations emanating from the self existent one.

The rest of the little gods are always going to be on their leash in one form or another til "THE KING" appears.

You men know what I am talking about "We are Kings just like HE is"

So we as men can all understand the honor of "ANY KING"

We are Kings and we own things and control what we can in our sphere of life so when our work is stolen or misused we tend to feel that same fury as little kings that "THE KING" is experiencing right now with HIS world and the people in it.

You understand all these things as KING as you were created.

Brown; I wanted to say this again that all four things you mentioned are all one.

Another thing I need to say to Americans is that our country of people are the only people who do not understand the dark forces that all of the other nations around the world grew up seeing and believing.

Somehow we are lead to think that darkness comes only from chemically imbalanced minds who need only to be incarcerated.

This LAW that AC is speaking about is the good common sense LAW that he loves, but as strange as it may sound does not comes from the humans unless they redirect that force from the Self Existent One.

And that other LAW? That puny one that runs from the light? It is a law so pathetic it is hard to think someone would actually love that little law in the light of THE LAW emanating from the one unknown source.

THE KING He is my love and my sweetheart and without HIS light I am a dead man.

Song 5:3 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.
5 I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.
6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.


Michael

[cikljamas]

Well i wooda typed all that out just like that if i wasn't one handed typist.

At this point your probably going to say I am a Darwinist non believer, but these are the facts, to the best of our knowledge, according to historical record.

Well, mr mbrownn, here it is, because you asked for it:

Consistent with his theory, Darwin predicted that the fossil record would reveal vast numbers of transitional forms between known species. This is the weak point of Darwinism, for as we shall see, the fossil record is almost entirely lacking in such transitional forms. 140 years after the publication of Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species, a billion fossils have been collected, and the fossil record is substantially complete; yet with three or four exceptions which can be accounted for equally well or better by design theory, organisms occupying transitional positions between species, which Darwin predicted, have not been found. Evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould has described the extreme rarity of transitional forms as the "trade secret of paleontology." What we find instead, he says, is that: The history of most fossil species includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:
1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil
record looking pretty much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and
directionless.
2. Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and "fully formed." Thus it was that in 1980 Gould wrote that the neo-Darwinian synthesis, "as a general proposition, is effectively dead, despite its persistence as textbook orthodoxy."
2. Punctuated Equilibrium.
In a desperate effort to breath life into Darwin's gasping theory, in 1972 Gould and Niles Eldridge proposed a new mechanism of evolution, which they called "punctuated equilibrium," for which the only evidence is the lack of transitional forms. Punctuated equilibrium is now the majority view among evolutionary theorists. That classical Darwinian theory has now been supplanted by punctuated equilibrium as the most widely accepted theory, despite the dearth of evidence for the latter view, is a measure of the weakness of classical Darwinian theory. Conversely, the refusal of many biologists to embrace punctuated equilibrium, despite the lack of evidence for Darwinism, suggests that the evidence for the new theory is also less than compelling.

The "evolution in action" of J. Huxley and other biologists is simply the observation of demographic facts, local fluctuations of genotypes, geographical distributions. Often the species concerned have remained practically unchanged for hundreds of centuries! Fluctuation as a result of circumstances, with prior modification of the genome, does not imply evolution, and we have tangible proof of this in many panchronic species [i.e. living fossils that remain unchanged for millions of years]. . . .
Johnson continues:
This conclusion seems so obviously correct that it gives rise to another problem. Why do other people, including experts whose intelligence and intellectual integrity I respect, think that evidence of local population fluctuations confirms the hypothesis that natural selection has the capacity to work engineering marvels, to construct wonders like the eye and the wing? Everyone who studies evolution knows that Kettlewell's peppered moth experiment is the classic demonstration of the power of natural selection, and that Darwinists had to wait almost a century to see even this modest confirmation of their central doctrine. Everyone who studies the experiment also knows that it has nothing to do with the origin of any species, or even any variety, because dark and white moths were present throughout the experiment. Only the ratios of one variety to the other changed. How could intelligent people have been so gullible as to imagine that the Kettlewell experiment in any way supported the ambitious claims of Darwinism? Behe, discussing the same evidence, quotes English biologists Mae-Wan Ho and Peter Saunders, writing in 1979:

[T]he successes of [the neo-Darwinian synthesis] are limited to the minutiae of evolution, such as the adaptive change in coloration of moths; while it has remarkably little to say on the questions which interest us most, such as how there came to be moths in the first place.

III. Punctuated equilibrium. With gradualism defunct as a possible mechanism for evolution, Gould's theory of punctuated equilibrium is natural selection's last best hope. What have other scientists to say about punctuated equilibrium? Ernst Mayrhas been universally acknowledged as the leading evolutionary biologist of the 20th Century. Stephen Jay Gould and other naturalists have cited his work as having shaped their thinking on evolution more than any other. Yet Mayr describes punctuated equilibrium as the "hopeful monsters" theory and states that it "is equivalent to believing in miracles." Michael Denton (a critic of the theory of evolution) succinctly explains the problems faced by this approach:

While Eldredge and Gould's model is a perfectly reasonable explanation of the gaps between species (and, in my view, correct), it is doubtful if it can be extended to explain the larger systematic gaps. The gaps which separate species: dog/fox, rat/mouse, etc., are utterly trivial compared with, say, that between a primitive terrestrial mammal and a whale or a primitive terrestrial reptile and an Ichthyosaur; and even these relatively major discontinuities are trivial alongside those which divide major phyla such as molluscs and arthropods. Such major discontinuities simply could not, unless we are to believe in miracles, have been crossed in geologically short periods of time through one or two transitional species occupying restricted geographical areas. Surely, such transitions must have involved long lineages including many collateral lines of hundreds or probably thousands of transitional species. . To suggest that the hundreds, thousands or possibly even millions of transitional species which must have existed in the interval between vastly dissimilar types were all unsuccessful species occupying isolated areas and having very small population numbers is verging on the incredible! Thus, neither gradualism nor punctuated equilibrium are viable explanations for biological diversity, and no one has proposed any other plausible theory. Clearly, then, evolutionary theory is dead.

Francis Crick, one of the co-discoverers of the double helix structure of DNA, lamented:
An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have been satisfied to get it going. This discouragement is completely understandable, for two reasons. For one thing, it is now generally acknowledged in the scientific community that the conditions which existed in the early history of earth were completely unlike those under which Miller's experiment was conducted. Secondly, the field of molecular biochemistry has subsequently shown even the simplest living organisms to be of such mind-numbing complexity that the futility of even attempting to imagine how they could have originated out of a random mixture of chemicals quickly becomes obvious.

Johnson describes the disillusionment with Miller's experiment in the following way:
Geochemists now report that the atmosphere of the early earth probably was not of the strongly reducing nature required for the Miller-Urey apparatus to give the desired results. . . . Perhaps the most discouraging criticism has come from chemists, who have spoiled the prebiotic soup by showing that organic compounds produced on the early earth would be subject to chemical reactions making them unsuitable for constructing life. In all probability, the prebiotic soup could never have existed, and without it there is no reason to believe that the production of small amounts of some amino acids by electrical charge in a reducing atmosphere had anything to do with the origin of life. . . .

Behe quotes Klaus Dose:
More than 30 years of experimentation on the origin of life in the fields of chemical and molecular evolution have led to a better perception of the immensity of the problem of the origin of life on Earth rather than to its solution. At present all discussions on principal theories and experiments in the field either end in stalemate or in a confession of ignorance.

The 44 Chromosome Man | Understanding Genetics
Explosive hypothesis about humans' lack of genetic diversity | QUEST
De novo genetic variation revealed in somatic sectors of single Arabidopsis plants - F1000Research

And now, allow me to remind us all to this:

The 1959. Centennial Celebration in Chicago was Darwinism's finest hour. One of the most honored speakers on this occasion was Sir Julian Huxley, grandson of Darwin's "bulldog" T.H. Huxley. Julian Huxley's speech was a glittering oration on the majestic grandeur of Darwin's achievement, coupled with a vision of its totalizing implications for the future. Here is excerpt from his speech:

Future historians will perhaps take this Centennial Week as epitomizing an important critical period in the history of this earth of ours - the period when the process of evolution, in the person of inquiring man, began to be truly conscious of itself. This is one of the first public occasions on which it has been frankly faced that all aspects of reality are subject to evolution, from atoms and stars to fish and flowers, from fish and flowers to human societies and values - indeed, that all reality is a single process of evolution. . . .
In the evolutionary pattern of thought there is no longer either need or room for the supernatural. The earth was not created, it evolved. So did all the animals and plants that inhabit it, including our human selves, mind and soul as well as brain and body. So did religion. . . .Finally, the evolutionary vision is enabling us to discern, however incompletely, the lineaments of the new religion that we can be sure will arise to serve the needs of the coming era.

Peter's Confession of ChristJesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it

[dutchdivco]

Brown; you said; "The rule of law and religion is the same thing, a method of organizing society. They have both been corrupted to a point where no one knows what is right or wrong, they are run by corrupt people and so we have to find the truth elsewhere. Where their corruption of the system is obviously wrong, do not obey it, and do not remain silent, or it will get worse."

Well put, both religion and any/every system of Gv't. have been corrupted, over time. By PEOPLE. Interesting book I reccomend is"The pillars of the Earth",
by Ken Follet. Fictional but historically accurate work that depicts the 'fight' in medieval England, between the 2 poer bases of the time; the Government )Kings and Earls) and the CHURCH. Both had individuals who abused their power, and both became largely about money.

Interesting DVDS I reccomend; "Unlocking the Mysteries of Life", and "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed". After seeing these, i bought copy of Darwins "Origin of the Species", and I heartily reccomend reading it, as well.

So many TALK about 'Evolution', and even engage in major argument/discussions about it, and yet have NEVER read the book. It is 'enlightening', to see just how much Darwin got wrong, hence my 'recomendation'.

As for the outrage over 'torture', in order to be truly outraged over torture, it seems to me you first have to 'accept' the 'necessity', and moral 'rightness' of war, and the idea that wars should be fought according to internationally accepted and agreed to 'rules of war'. Which brings us back to the subject of this hread, "The Rule of Law", as applied to nations. And, even IF you accept the 'necessity' of war, and the idea that there should be 'Rules' that every naton agrees to, (with enforcement of such rules adjuticated in the Hague International court), how do you then address an agressor, which is NOT a 'country', and which uses the 'Geneva Convention' as a kind of reverse playbook, doing everything forbidden by the G.C., while assuming thier opponents will comply? Jim

[mbrownn]

Wow I provoked a response there hahaha

@BroMikey

The historical record seems to suggest that they are one and the same, but are we interpreting it correctly? I'm not jumping on any bandwagons yet, but I am keeping an open mind.

@cikljamas
I am familiar with the punctuated equilibrium theory, but again it does not fully fit the bill. Life on earth may or may not have been created but who created the creator? We just don't have the answers or the evidence. Again its time for an open mind.

Either one of these topics is a whole new debate.

[mbrownn]

Brown; you said; "The rule of law and religion is the same thing, a method of organizing society. They have both been corrupted to a point where no one knows what is right or wrong, they are run by corrupt people and so we have to find the truth elsewhere. Where their corruption of the system is obviously wrong, do not obey it, and do not remain silent, or it will get worse."

Well put, both religion and any/every system of Gv't. have been corrupted, over time. By PEOPLE. Interesting book I reccomend is"The pillars of the Earth",
by Ken Follet. Fictional but historically accurate work that depicts the 'fight' in medieval England, between the 2 poer bases of the time; the Government )Kings and Earls) and the CHURCH. Both had individuals who abused their power, and both became largely about money.

Interesting DVDS I reccomend; "Unlocking the Mysteries of Life", and "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed". After seeing these, i bought copy of Darwins "Origin of the Species", and I heartily reccomend reading it, as well.

So many TALK about 'Evolution', and even engage in major argument/discussions about it, and yet have NEVER read the book. It is 'enlightening', to see just how much Darwin got wrong, hence my 'recomendation'.

As for the outrage over 'torture', in order to be truly outraged over torture, it seems to me you first have to 'accept' the 'necessity', and moral 'rightness' of war, and the idea that wars should be fought according to internationally accepted and agreed to 'rules of war'. Which brings us back to the subject of this hread, "The Rule of Law", as applied to nations. And, even IF you accept the 'necessity' of war, and the idea that there should be 'Rules' that every naton agrees to, (with enforcement of such rules adjuticated in the Hague International court), how do you then address an agressor, which is NOT a 'country', and which uses the 'Geneva Convention' as a kind of reverse playbook, doing everything forbidden by the G.C., while assuming thier opponents will comply? Jim

[mbrownn]

Interesting book I reccomend is"The pillars of the Earth",
by Ken Follet. Fictional but historically accurate work that depicts the 'fight' in medieval England, between the 2 poer bases of the time; the Government )Kings and Earls) and the CHURCH. Both had individuals who abused their power, and both became largely about money.

Interesting DVDS I reccomend; "Unlocking the Mysteries of Life", and "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed". After seeing these, i bought copy of Darwins "Origin of the Species", and I heartily reccomend reading it, as well.

Jim

[aljhoa]

Im working on the premise of "know thy enemy" at the moment and studying the Nazis, what a can of worms that has opened up!

Churchill
Hitler
Tavistock Military Psych-Ops War School training line

https://archive.org/details/HitlerWasABritishAgent

Al

[wayne.ct]

The rule of law

Perhaps you remember that the law was given because of sin? Every 'man' has a knowledge of good and bad, or good and evil, that children have to learn or not learn, as the case may be. And, because some people never learn the difference, laws are created by man, or "spoken by God", if you prefer that language. The slaves of Egypt were a particularly hard case for YHWH and the slaves actually asked Moses for the "law" because they didn't want to deal directly with God. They promised to do the impossible. They promised to obey all that God told them to do. The slaves were your basic immature children.

If, like AllCanadian, you have a deep understanding of good and bad, you don't need the rule of law, you have the knowledge and maturity of a grown, mature man. Laws are for the lawless.

The lawless either self destruct or are captured (eventually) and incarcerated by the governments "instituted among men". This is what I think of as "rule of law". When conducted and empowered by men (and not children) you have a working society. At the current time, the US is being run by children who are like the people of Ninevah, they don't know right from wrong.

We, in the US, need to re-establish the rule of law because what we have is a cult of personality or rule by an elite or an oligarchy. Pick your own terminology!

So, in my view, rule of law is a healthy society. It is simply the right way to conduct a government.

[cikljamas]

@cikljamas
I am familiar with the punctuated equilibrium theory, but again it does not fully fit the bill. Life on earth may or may not have been created but who created the creator? We just don't have the answers or the evidence. Again its time for an open mind.

"I think so i am" (cogito ergo sum - je panse donc je suis), remember that? If you don't exist than who am i communicating with? So, if you are (exist) then at least you (contingent being) are (exist). If anything at all (for instance - you) exists, then existence is real. Had any kind of existence ever existed then absolute nothingness have not existed and never will. After all, nothingness and existence absolutely exclude each other. It means that Absolute Being is real, cause any kind of existence is possible only by presumption of unconditional everlasting-timeless existence of Absolute Being (otherwise it would have not been absolute), cause the only way to avoid absolute nothingness is "to postulate" REAL-TIMELESS-UNCAUSED-SELF-SUSTAINED (which means absolute) Absolute Being.

It is obvious upon reflection that "what a thing is" and "that it is" are completely different statements.

That a thing is or has existence, is a principle really distinct from its quiddity. In no case (except for God) does the essence of a thing indicate anything about whether that thing really is. The essence of a horse that exists, and the essence of a horse that doesn't are absolutely the same, namely horse-ness; a horse's existing is totally different from what kind of a thing it is. Therefore, there must be something about really existing things that accounts for this very existing, and it is not their essence; it is their existence. Existence then is that which makes essences to be, to exercise the act of existing.

Essence and Existence are the same in God (Aesity)

Before embarking on this study of substance, however, AristotleAristotle
Hilbert's Hotel and Infinity

About intellectual honesty and scientific credibility of modern darwinists who still apologetically try to defend undefendable shame of theory (of evolution) which was from the very beginning nothing else but utter "insult for sane mind" (to literally translate one croatian phrase):

Michael Behe's Critics Misunderstand Irreducible Complexity and Make Darwinian Evolution Unfalsifiable - See more at: Michael Behe's Critics Misunderstand Irreducible Complexity and Make Darwinian Evolution Unfalsifiable - Evolution News & Views

Evidence for Intelligent Design from Biochemistry

DNA Trash Talk

One of the greatest philosophers of 20th century:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4450928.Marijan_Cipra

His book "The metamorphoses of metaphisics" is pure masterpiece of world philosophy...

Looming Faustian Night

[Ben2503]

An infinite regress of causes is logically incoherent. To suggest that there have been an infinite regress of past causes is to suggest that we have come to the end of an infinite series. An infinite series, however, is by definition a series with no end. So this would mean that we have come to the end of a series with no end, which is logically incoherent.

Hilbert's Hotel and Infinity

Always funny these semantical discussions. How can a hotel with infinite rooms be fully booked???
And from this one can derive that infinite does not exists and thus a god must exist. Well infinite exist it is the TAN(90degrees).
It is as silly as the "can God create a stone he cannot lift" question.

Why can't we accept each other viewpoints, look for the common grounds and try to make a better world. Human arrogance is in my view the worst evil. Scientist claiming that if they can't measure it, it doesn't exist is as arrogant as claiming to have found the "one and only truth" in whatever religion.

To me they are both right. We are living is the laboratory of some very high intelligence. This intelligence we can all make use of by simply using our minds and common sense.

Back to the topic.
I think there should be only 3 basic laws:
1. You shall not physically hurt somebody.
2. You shall not steal.
3. You shall not lie.

Especially the last one needs to be enforced strongly. Then we will get rid of dishonest politicians, bankers, salesmen and spouses.

Take care

[mbrownn]

Any discussion on the existence of something we cannot prove, cannot have a solution, therefore we become distracted trying to debate it. It is a form of divide and rule.

Religion is proven to exist, god isn't, therefore no solution has been found to the god question.

Should we spend our time debating this or is there more pressing matters? Yes, if god were proven to exist it would be a different situation, but for now, lets deal with the matters at hand.

Current affairs and the rule of law/religion are proven, do have direct implications on our lives, and require our urgent attention, so lets not get distracted.

The point on lies is valid, and it needs qualification on what is harm, hence a law or some type of enforcement system. Yes, their are existing laws, but these laws have been effectively nullified for the rich and powerful. Presidents have been set where "officials" are allowed to lie and go unchecked. This is something that needs to be addressed.

Disobedience does not work here as it is the officials that have turned disobedience against us. You see how that works? Turn your enemies weapons against them?

This is an area where democracy can work. Almost certainly if the people were allowed to vote on a lie told by a politician, the politician would be in trouble, but you wont be allowed to get a vote, and they know that. So what is the solution?

The systems are in place in the U.S but have been nullified through federal law and similar actions. The truth is, it is your constitution that is your last chance on this one as that trumps all other laws in the US. This is under serious attack from the politicians/banksters/elites. Its time to educate, so you must speak out.

[cikljamas]

...i just don't understand

KantKantKantRousseauRousseauVoltaireDavid HumeDavid HumeSpinozaSpinozaGeorge BerkeleyJohn Stuart MillWittgensteinWittgensteinBachWittgensteinRichard Swinburne, Is There a God?, Oxford University Press, 1996, 2, italics in original).

Back to the topic.
I think there should be only 3 basic laws:
1. You shall not physically hurt somebody.
2. You shall not steal.
3. You shall not lie.

Especially the last one needs to be enforced strongly. Then we will get rid of dishonest politicians, bankers, salesmen and spouses.

Take care

Why shouldn't i physically hurt you?
Why shouldn't i steal your goods?
Why shouldn't i lie to you?
Why???

Now wake up finally:

There is an ever increasing highway that is being built in the Middle East and Africa. It is no longer tribal factions fighting over grazing land, or water rights. This is a blackness of untold magnitude that is spreading from the east to the west It has been covered in a fog from the bottom to the top. The bottom with the media, and the top with Governments. The media is working alongside the governments in these areas and the West to cover and distract the world from knowing the truth.There is a terrible highway being built by evil factions that have one agenda.The devastation continue while most in the West distract, distract, distract from the truth.

In Somalia today, Charisma magazine is reporting that a woman who converted to Christianity was dragged from her home and shot in the street with the community watching. Some tried to help her, and so they fired into the crowd. This was Al-shabab. (More) Al-shabab is connected to Al-queda via the terror network that is spreading through a super highway of evil. These evil abominations have manifested themselves and are targeting governments and officials in an attempt

This is happening in Somalia, Nigeria, Syria, Lybia, and the CAR. Look at all the deaths to the lawmakers there in recent past. And this is the claim made by these incendiary thugs. They are ridding their land of Christians and those who take money from the West.

While they have unleashed this snake, dragon, beast, a silent genocide is being carried out. While they terrorize communities, innocents, and governments, the west is silent. They have created these groups Al-qaeda-like, to do their dirty work like in AfghanistanWatch in horror as Christians and the worse slaughter in history takes place. This will go down in history as the second holocaust. And they are silent for the second holocaust. So maybe some of our questions have been answered. The West and the world is complicit in this slaughter. And Christians and other minorities are indeed just collateral damage.

Read more:

Graphic Images of Christian Persecution Under Islam

Syria Dutch priest Fr van der Lugt shot dead in Homs

[Ben2503]

KantKantKantRousseauRousseauVoltaireDavid HumeDavid HumeSpinozaSpinozaGeorge BerkeleyJohn Stuart MillWittgensteinWittgensteinBachWittgensteinRichard Swinburne, Is There a God?, Oxford University Press, 1996, 2, italics in original).



Why shouldn't i physically hurt you?
Why shouldn't i steal your goods?
Why shouldn't i lie to you?
Why???

Now wake up finally:

There is an ever increasing highway that is being built in the Middle East and Africa. It is no longer tribal factions fighting over grazing land, or water rights. This is a blackness of untold magnitude that is spreading from the east to the west It has been covered in a fog from the bottom to the top. The bottom with the media, and the top with Governments. The media is working alongside the governments in these areas and the West to cover and distract the world from knowing the truth.There is a terrible highway being built by evil factions that have one agenda.The devastation continue while most in the West distract, distract, distract from the truth.

In Somalia today, Charisma magazine is reporting that a woman who converted to Christianity was dragged from her home and shot in the street with the community watching. Some tried to help her, and so they fired into the crowd. This was Al-shabab. (More) Al-shabab is connected to Al-queda via the terror network that is spreading through a super highway of evil. These evil abominations have manifested themselves and are targeting governments and officials in an attempt

This is happening in Somalia, Nigeria, Syria, Lybia, and the CAR. Look at all the deaths to the lawmakers there in recent past. And this is the claim made by these incendiary thugs. They are ridding their land of Christians and those who take money from the West.

While they have unleashed this snake, dragon, beast, a silent genocide is being carried out. While they terrorize communities, innocents, and governments, the west is silent. They have created these groups Al-qaeda-like, to do their dirty work like in AfghanistanWatch in horror as Christians and the worse slaughter in history takes place. This will go down in history as the second holocaust. And they are silent for the second holocaust. So maybe some of our questions have been answered. The West and the world is complicit in this slaughter. And Christians and other minorities are indeed just collateral damage.

Read more:

Graphic Images of Christian Persecution Under Islam

Syria Dutch priest Fr van der Lugt shot dead in Homs

Forget about all these guys quoted above, just quote ME!

Keep live simple, free and honest.

[dutchdivco]

mbrown

My Dad encouraged me, years ago, to learn about Nazis and WW2. I read "Rise and Fall of Adolph Hitler", and "Winds of War", (and its sequel) "War and Remeberence" (sp?). The last 2 by Herman Wouk, an historian. But, he writes them as fiction, and puts his fictional characters in real historical settings. It makes it highly enjoyable reading. So, I reccomend you check these out! Actually, this is very similar to the book I reccomended in an earlier post, about medieval England, where he also used fictional characters to paint a really good picture of the power struggles of the time.

My favorite quote; "Fanatasism consists of redoubling your effort, while forgetting your aim!" Wishing ya well, Jim