The rule of law or not

[dutchdivco]

Couldn't agree more, AC, except

Firsty, I'm not sure it will 'work', this time. Secondly, a war would be a way to try to preserve the system we have, which is a flawed system that needs to collapse.
Just as 2008 caused people to realise the fantasy of the 'American Dream', and how we ALL were getting 'screwed', this next financial worldwide collapse is going to make people wake up to a # of fantasies we have all agreed to pretend were real (Emperor has no clothes,..). Money has no intrinsic value, Divisiveness (encouraging Us vs, Them as a way to keep us from uniting)etc.
I really don't think the 'ruling class' is going to be able to 'keep it together', this time. Could be wrong, of coarse, but we are definetly in for some heavy s*it!
Old chines curse; "May you live in interesting times!" Well, somone must have cursed us, thats for sure, cause its going to be interesting! Jim

[cikljamas]

The rule of law or not, very interesting question. It reminds me to another question: could atheist be a moral man? That is how we have come to this:

A small mistake in the beginning is a big one in the end since the least initial deviation from the truth

INTRODUCTION

The belief that the Earth is rotating on an "axis" and orbiting the sun is THE GRANDADDY OF ALL DECEPTIONS IN THE WORLD TODAYThe Earth Is Not Moving by Marshall Hall - Over 400 Years Of Deception Exposed - The Bible Told The Truth All Along | Love for Life

Now think about this dilemma: Heisenberg uncertainty law-principle vs Einstein's "God doesn't play dice", which is the right one for you? Try to work it out for yourself and you will eventually find out that there is the ultimate truth and that you really CAN find the right answer (to the most important question of all questions) in which exactness i am sure 100 %. We are all able to find the right answers, only if there is honest, sincere and persistent eagerness (in our hearts) to perform authentic and serious quest for the ultimate truth.

EVERYTHING ELSE DEPENDS ON THIS ANSWER, OUR OWN FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN!

Otherwise we are going to stay where we are, guided by guys like that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SElzhqmhpzI&t=3m20s

[mbrownn]

Firsty, I'm not sure it will 'work', this time. Secondly, a war would be a way to try to preserve the system we have, which is a flawed system that needs to collapse.
Just as 2008 caused people to realise the fantasy of the 'American Dream', and how we ALL were getting 'screwed', this next financial worldwide collapse is going to make people wake up to a # of fantasies we have all agreed to pretend were real (Emperor has no clothes,..). Money has no intrinsic value, Divisiveness (encouraging Us vs, Them as a way to keep us from uniting)etc.
I really don't think the 'ruling class' is going to be able to 'keep it together', this time. Could be wrong, of coarse, but we are definetly in for some heavy s*it!
Old chines curse; "May you live in interesting times!" Well, somone must have cursed us, thats for sure, cause its going to be interesting! Jim

We are already 12 years into an undeclared WWIII, the fact being that it is undeclared, not admitted and illegal, cause most people not to believe it. This war is perceived, by the people that perpetrated it, as a way to preserve and advance their system. Because their motives are greed and power, they are blinded to the fact that they are killing themselves too; They are drunk on their own power.

You are right, every system they put in place is to control us, but the more the grip is tightened, the more the masses wake up. They wont be able to keep it together and they have already lost control.

Yes its true that things are going to get much worse before things get better, and many will perish in wars, but far more will perish as a result of their systems that they have in place, Big Pharma etc. Indeed some heavy s*it! Its not that everything was planned like this right from the start but they never let an opportunity go to waste in their grab for power.

I know people are worried about war and the economic collapse, and that worry is justified. There is a slim chance that these future wars can be overted, if you express your views openly. I think the collapse is inevitable but don't expect it to be obvious when it happens.

Why do I say that? because it has already happened, its just that the powers that be, have the ability to print paper money and create credit, in a way that hides this from you. Yes you will seem to get much poorer over the next 4 years but in truth you have already lost it, but just don't realize it yet. Get ready for what you know is about to come.

Allcanadian Rage, Rage at the machine.
Unfortunately blaming everyone else is not actually a solution to anything. I know it feels good but it just doesn't work in reality because it's circular.

In any case laying blame is the least of our worries because the economy is about to implode and of course the most sensible solution to an imploding economy is to start another war, a big one to solve a big problem. Believe me when I say your rights, the cabal and the economy is the least of your worries.

Its not a matter of blame, the perpetrators have to be identified and stopped, but how to do it? We should not use their methods, and indeed we cannot. We have to educate.

Non compliance is the answer. I know the vast majority of people would find it abhorrent to face off the enemy directly, and to disobey their unjust laws, but not everyone has to do that. They still desire our money, even though it is only paper, so we stop giving it to them. As an example... I'm sure your aware that dead babies have been used in the development of soft drinks, to stop that from happening all you have to do is stop buying the soft drink. Refuse to buy GMO food, don't buy clothes made in sweat shops etc. If you are unsure about the ethicallity or origins of something, don't use it. If in doubt, leave it out. This has enormous power and is a form of non-compliance.

[cikljamas]

Yes its true that things are going to get much worse before things get better, and many will perish in wars, but far more will perish as a result of their systems that they have in place, Big Pharma etc.

Non compliance is the answer.

As an example... I'm sure your aware that dead babies have been used in the development of soft drinks, to stop that from happening all you have to do is stop buying the soft drink. Refuse to buy GMO food, don't buy clothes made in sweat shops etc. If you are unsure about the ethicallity or origins of something, don't use it. If in doubt, leave it out. This has enormous power and is a form of non-compliance.

Solzhenitsyn, as 2. In his acceptance speech for the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion (Buckingham Palace, London, May 10, 1983), Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: SolzhenitsynDostoevsky, once again,who drew from the French Revolution and its see thing hatred of the Church the lesson that That is absolutely true. But the world had never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized, and tenaciously malevolent as that practiced by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin, and at the heart of their psychology, hatred of God is the principal driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. (SolzhenitsynSolzhenitsynSolzhenitsyn (SolzhenitsynThe concepts of good and evil have been ridiculed for several centuries; banished from common use, they have been replaced by political or class considerations of short lived value. The West is ineluctably slipping toward the abyss. Western societies are losing more and more of their religious essence as they thoughtlessly yield up their younger generation to atheism.Solzhenitsyn 1984, Issue 36).

[Allcanadian]

@cikljamas

without God there is no moral law that tells us what we ought to do.

I'm not sure I would agree with this statement from experience because the first thing the people I know did upon "finding God" was judge me personally. They started finger pointing and said you have to believe this and you have to do this. At which point I had to give them an attitude adjustment, I said if god means you believe everyone who does not believe is lesser then I want no part of it. I took an oath to myself to never do harm and to do the right thing... period. I don't need a God to tell me this I know it and I believe it and the people I know personally who found god are hypocrites in my opinion. They have businesses and think nothing of screwing over their customers and and taking from others and yet they proclaim to"believe" then judge me...I don't buy it.

Then there are the good christian American soldiers carpet bombing innocent men, women and children... what of them?. You see I may not believe in god but if someone told me to kill another person simply because they believe they have some kind of authority over me I would tell them to kiss my ass. I will not do it, I will never do it and there is nothing on this Earth that could make me do it because it is wrong... period. Yet we know as a fact they committed these atrocities against humanity...what of them and their supposed beliefs?. These cavemen actually proclaimed to believe in god then had the audacity to say outright illegal detainment and torture of a fellow human being is somehow acceptable, I mean really?. It's BS in my opinion because nobody can say they believe something then do something which contradicts everything they say they believe, it's BS and if they are not willing or able to hold to their beliefs in every case then they believe nothing in my opinion.

Perhaps you could explain this to me, why is the Vatican sitting on trillions of dollars as people starve, why are the god fearing people in business making business decisions which not only harm people but knowingly kill people in the name of profit and why in gods name are so many people doing things which are morally wrong in any sense of the word yet proclaim to "believe". As I said I may not believe but I do know the difference between right and wrong and I always do the right thing, there are no exceptions to the rule or gray areas in my book. I am not better than anyone but I have drawn a line in the sand that I will not cross under any circumstances, I will hold to what I believe without contradiction.

AC

[mbrownn]

I think, to bring god into it is a distraction, remember ALL

[jdodson]

@AllCanadian

Nail on the head.

I think religion is the human mind trying to explain the singularity in the terms of duality.
Isnt it ironic the universe is built on duality, and every religion is based on duality.

duality is separation. segregation. Pure enternal happiness isn't real without a contrast.
without contrast comes equilibrium which means happiness becomes dull.

life gives us purpose. we come from the singularity. we all are one.
We can not die. Being alive is our eternity. We have created duality to experience the contrast and displace the equilibrium.

We are god. Knowing this, actually defeats the purpose of being alive. Which is why nobody knows, we're not supposed to know.
Its ironic, everyone is searching for the truth, yet finding the truth makes the search irrelevant.

We have all lived before, we will all live again. Fear nothing. Enjoy the ride.

I don't believe in karma. Being a good person is its own reward.
Be good. Do good. Spread good. In my humble opinion.

If there is no God, then there are no rules to live by, no moral law we must follow; we can do whatever we want.

This is the duality. Evil MUST exist.
Bad people don't need to be punished in the afterlife. They are punished here on earth, by good people.

We have always been able to do whatever we want...and face earthly consequences. life is self regulating. People who do bad things put themselves in more danger and will naturally be more likely to face serious injury and die quicker. No angels needed.

btw, being a follower, and devoting your life to god is redundant. you may spend eternity devoting yourself......to yourself.

@Rule of law

The injustice, of the justice system is yet another gift of duality.
It is this reality that provides the emotional drama and passion for those who care, to change the world.

Where there is justice, there will be injustice. Where there is good there will be evil.
By acknowledging it, you have entered the conflict. The only question is, which side are you on.

[Allcanadian]

Not that I'm into bashing religion however I have very good observation skills and I have noticed some peculiarities in people concerning religion.

I remember a few friends who "found god" and the changes I saw in them were quite striking. One month they were what I would consider normal and then the next month they had changed. There was a tendency to stare down people in a condescending manner not unlike other people I have known who use drugs. They just smile with an absurd piercing stare as if to say I am better than you and your beliefs. As well there is a great deal of self confidence seen in them however again I have seen these same effects inducted by drugs or persons who have come into a great deal of money. Which is odd because they are the same person it's just that they are now either high or rich ,lol.

Then there is the proof I have seen, one day three years ago I was on my roof patching some shingles on a Sunday morning. I noticed a car on the side of the road three blocks away about 100 yards from a church with the hood lifted and a woman and two children looking at the engine. I watched in disbelief as no less than sixty cars went right past this woman and her car which had broken down and pulled into the church... not one single god damn car stopped to help her. I was pissed off at the whole fiasco and started coming off the roof when I saw a contractor in a beat up old truck stop to help her. At which point I should mention that almost everyone who pulled into the church was driving what I would consider to be a newer and expensive looking vehicle. I thought how is it that so many people who claim to give to others obviously have taken very much from them in the form of money... again the contradiction in terms. As it turns out later when my wife got me involved in some church functions nobody actually talks about the lord nor giving and everyone was talking about business or bragging about their house and other possessions.

I could go on and on and on of the things I have seen which contradict what people of religion say they believe. In my opinion based on my experience most of them seem to be lacking in morality despite their high and mighty attitude towards others. Again I see these same attributes in drug users or people consumed by a need to attain wealth. To me it looks as if they have a false sense of being empowered by their beliefs which makes perfect sense from a psychological stand point. Maybe it's just me, I have always been the conservative one, the middle of the road kind of guy not subject to extremes. However what I see in religious people verges on extremism not to mention the fact they tend to say one thing then do another. Needless to say very few of my personal experiences concerning religion are what I would call pleasing and we will leave it at that.

AC

[BroMikey]

Amen Corner

Not that I'm into bashing religion however I have very good observation skills and I have noticed some peculiarities in people concerning religion.

I remember a few friends who "found god" and the changes I saw in them were quite striking. One month they were what I would consider normal and then the next month they had changed. There was a tendency to stare down people in a condescending manner not unlike other people I have known who use drugs. They just smile with an absurd piercing stare as if to say I am better than you and your beliefs. As well there is a great deal of self confidence seen in them however again I have seen these same effects inducted by drugs or persons who have come into a great deal of money. Which is odd because they are the same person it's just that they are now either high or rich ,lol.

Then there is the proof I have seen, one day three years ago I was on my roof patching some shingles on a Sunday morning. I noticed a car on the side of the road three blocks away about 100 yards from a church with the hood lifted and a woman and two children looking at the engine. I watched in disbelief as no less than sixty cars went right past this woman and her car which had broken down and pulled into the church... not one single god damn car stopped to help her. I was pissed off at the whole fiasco and started coming off the roof when I saw a contractor in a beat up old truck stop to help her. At which point I should mention that almost everyone who pulled into the church was driving what I would consider to be a newer and expensive looking vehicle. I thought how is it that so many people who claim to give to others obviously have taken very much from them in the form of money... again the contradiction in terms. As it turns out later when my wife got me involved in some church functions nobody actually talks about the lord nor giving and everyone was talking about business or bragging about their house and other possessions.

I could go on and on and on of the things I have seen which contradict what people of religion say they believe. In my opinion based on my experience most of them seem to be lacking in morality despite their high and mighty attitude towards others. Again I see these same attributes in drug users or people consumed by a need to attain wealth. To me it looks as if they have a false sense of being empowered by their beliefs which makes perfect sense from a psychological stand point. Maybe it's just me, I have always been the conservative one, the middle of the road kind of guy not subject to extremes. However what I see in religious people verges on extremism not to mention the fact they tend to say one thing then do another. Needless to say very few of my personal experiences concerning religion are what I would call pleasing and we will leave it at that.

AC

Hi Allcanadian

I have been through all of that as well. I was so self righteous as a young minister yet God saw to it that I got the hell kicked out of me. Thank you for your very detailed post about relig/folks.

There is more righteousness is a street rat sometimes than super-spiritual people have. Keep following that righteous pull as this is not coming from you, yet it comes from somewhere just as the thoughts of the opposite type do.

Relig and shinning attire is not what the KING is looking for as you well know and it is not about how much change you dropped into the plate either.

Infact the biggest proof that these so called cHurch corps love and service another unrighteous gOd is the fact that all of their deacons, Sunday school teachers or any leader must show a good example by giving what was known as the "TITHE" this word means "tenth"

Yet when you study the text you will see not everyone qualified to give a tenth, only food in the form of cattle and crops grown were specified.

Even Christ did not qualify under the Law because HE was a carpenter.

Yet all of the so called cHurches today dangle all of the souls of the organization over the firery coals if they don't give the green stamps.

There are no organized forms of relig that honor THE KING, instead they honor the other one being the "Love Of Money"

Giving is a wonderful thing and folks need to do that, but to be forced by leaders under threat of destruction shows me why the followers act the way they do.

They are brainwashed. The little people are mentally trapped as the higher ups have found ways to catch the prey.

That money the pigeons give means alot to the governing body so prisons of the mind are formulated.

I pray for them not prey on them.

May God Bless you.

Mike

[cikljamas]

@cikljamas


I'm not sure I would agree with this statement from experience because the first thing the people I know did upon "finding God" was judge me personally. They started finger pointing and said you have to believe this and you have to do this. At which point I had to give them an attitude adjustment, I said if god means you believe everyone who does not believe is lesser then I want no part of it. I took an oath to myself to never do harm and to do the right thing... period. I don't need a God to tell me this I know it and I believe it and the people I know personally who found god are hypocrites in my opinion. They have businesses and think nothing of screwing over their customers and and taking from others and yet they proclaim to"believe" then judge me...I don't buy it.

Then there are the good christian American soldiers carpet bombing innocent men, women and children... what of them?. You see I may not believe in god but if someone told me to kill another person simply because they believe they have some kind of authority over me I would tell them to kiss my ass. I will not do it, I will never do it and there is nothing on this Earth that could make me do it because it is wrong... period. Yet we know as a fact they committed these atrocities against humanity...what of them and their supposed beliefs?. These cavemen actually proclaimed to believe in god then had the audacity to say outright illegal detainment and torture of a fellow human being is somehow acceptable, I mean really?. It's BS in my opinion because nobody can say they believe something then do something which contradicts everything they say they believe, it's BS and if they are not willing or able to hold to their beliefs in every case then they believe nothing in my opinion.

Perhaps you could explain this to me, why is the Vatican sitting on trillions of dollars as people starve, why are the god fearing people in business making business decisions which not only harm people but knowingly kill people in the name of profit and why in gods name are so many people doing things which are morally wrong in any sense of the word yet proclaim to "believe". As I said I may not believe but I do know the difference between right and wrong and I always do the right thing, there are no exceptions to the rule or gray areas in my book. I am not better than anyone but I have drawn a line in the sand that I will not cross under any circumstances, I will hold to what I believe without contradiction.

AC

Well, my friend, all i can say is that i agree with you 100 %, period!!! What a pity, english is not my native tongue, but it is not excuse however, so i am gonna try to answer somehow to the very difficult questions that you just have put forward...

1. About judging you personally:

"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

2. About finger pointing (you have to do this and that and so forth):

Nobody has to do anything that he or her doesn't want to do, it is the essence of the freedom, better to say it is the essence of the free will, but everyone has conscience and that is the place where you meet true God, if you fail to respond adequately to your own inner voice of conscience than you fail to be righteous man, and that is all that counts.

Jesus about formalism, fanaticism and true faith:

Just as in our day Jesus had a problem with formalism. Formalism manifested its self in the legalistic religion of the Pharisees. Jesus condemned the pharisees for their outward formalism to religion while their inward condition was neglected. This class of people focuses on the things which other people can see while neglecting the things which can not be seen.



Then the Lord said to him, "Now you Pharisees make the outside of the cup and dish clean, but your inward part is full of greed and wickedness."



3. About "the good christian American soldiers carpet bombing innocent men, women and children":

Solzhenitsyn

William Lane Craig - Did the Resurrection Really Happen?

4. About Vatican:

Vatican administration is a shame, Vatican is under strong influence of masonry, some of chatolic priests even embraced and teach theory of evolution, so much about Vatican. Vatican totally betrayed true word of God!!!

See this:

Joshua's Long Day

You can read two comments of mine below that video, too...

Cheers!

Oh, i have forgotten this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCNrQb_Akgg

Life is not just serious, life is funny too...so cheer up, humor is also God's great gift to us, don't you think so?

[Allcanadian]

Life is not just serious, life is funny too...so cheer up, humor is also God's great gift to us, don't you think so?

I would agree and if we cannot laugh at our own silliness then I believe something is wrong. I hope I didn't come off as being too anti-religion because I don't mean to be. If embracing religion or any other belief truly makes us a better person then I am all for it. I just get very tired of people who say one thing then do another and people who do things we all know are wrong then try to justify it with a belief.

It seems that as time passes more and more people are finding things which are morally wrong more acceptable. As if to say if John down the street is doing it then why shouldn't I despite the fact it is just plain wrong. I was lucky enough to grow up in the country where we had a very strong sense of community and we helped one another. We call a spade a spade which does not always fit well with the the politics of city life.

I remember spending summers with my grandmother at the ranch and she had a big old bible 16" high, 14" wide and 5" thick. In the evenings after supper she would read to all us kids. I cannot say I believe in god now any more than I did then however some very good words came from that book and if more people took heed to them I believe this world would be a better place.

AC

[Allcanadian]

I would like to touch on another topic which relates to this one which I find very disturbing. As I said I grew up with a strong sense of community however what happens when the community turns on you not unlike a rabid dog?.

I remember watching the American politicians debating the issue of torture and I found it offensive on every level. Then it occurred to me what they were actually talking about. You see the politicians found torture acceptable only because they believed it could never possibly happen to them. At which point I would ask them one simple question. Mr politician would you find it acceptable if I illegally took your daughter from you, stripped her naked and started water-boarding her?. Well no that is completely unacceptable so why in the hell would you think it is acceptable to do it to someone else?.

Gustav Le Bon went into this form of mental disorder at length in his works including "the crowd a study of the popular mind". Make no mistake it is a mental disorder and these politicians are criminally insane by any definition.

You see it relies on a certain degree of detachment from reality and a belief that what goes around will not come around. That is they may do almost anything in the name of the community and the community will protect them. Not unlike a cult and in fact a level of government or a level in a corporate entity relates very closely to what we consider as a cult like status.

If you look deeper into the psychology we see this theme in many places. One person may know the difference between right and wrong but give them the protection of a community and some may think nothing of crossing the line because they feel protected. They may even begin to believe that their insanity is justified because they are acting in the best interests of the community. Which is why we must ask the right questions, I would say so you think torture is acceptable?... great I am going to do it to you right now you self-righteous half-wit and we will see how acceptable you find it, but that's another story altogether isn't it?.

The most comical part in my opinion was when these people were actually debating the legalities of torture. I mean really?, if a law says you should jump off a bridge then should you?. Well no that is ridiculous as are these politicians and in my opinion if the American people had any integrity this should have been stopped before it even began. Someone of integrity and morality should have stepped up to the plate and said NO, we will not even debate this issue because it is morally unacceptable on every level.

At which point we could ask where was the Church?, where were all those human rights activists in all this?. In my opinion they were nowhere to be found because of a single ultimatum... if your not with us then your against us. Which brings us full circle, community and country is kind of like having a Rottweiler as a pet because the moment you stop feeding it you may become food. Be careful what you wish for you may just get it.

AC

[BroMikey]

Dude

I would like to touch on another topic which relates to this one which I find very disturbing. As I said I grew up with a strong sense of community however what happens when the community turns on you not unlike a rabid dog?.

I remember watching the American politicians debating the issue of torture and I found it offensive on every level. Then it occurred to me what they were actually talking about. You see the politicians found torture acceptable only because they believed it could never possibly happen to them. At which point I would ask them one simple question. Mr politician would you find it acceptable if I illegally took your daughter from you, stripped her naked and started water-boarding her?. Well no that is completely unacceptable so why in the hell would you think it is acceptable to do it to someone else?.

Gustav Le Bon went into this form of mental disorder at length in his works including "the crowd a study of the popular mind". Make no mistake it is a mental disorder and these politicians are criminally insane by any definition.

You see it relies on a certain degree of detachment from reality and a belief that what goes around will not come around. That is they may do almost anything in the name of the community and the community will protect them. Not unlike a cult and in fact a level of government or a level in a corporate entity relates very closely to what we consider as a cult like status.

If you look deeper into the psychology we see this theme in many places. One person may know the difference between right and wrong but give them the protection of a community and some may think nothing of crossing the line because they feel protected. They may even begin to believe that their insanity is justified because they are acting in the best interests of the community. Which is why we must ask the right questions, I would say so you think torture is acceptable?... great I am going to do it to you right now you self-righteous half-wit and we will see how acceptable you find it, but that's another story altogether isn't it?.

The most comical part in my opinion was when these people were actually debating the legalities of torture. I mean really?, if a law says you should jump off a bridge then should you?. Well no that is ridiculous as are these politicians and in my opinion if the American people had any integrity this should have been stopped before it even began. Someone of integrity and morality should have stepped up to the plate and said NO, we will not even debate this issue because it is morally unacceptable on every level.

At which point we could ask where was the Church?, where were all those human rights activists in all this?. In my opinion they were nowhere to be found because of a single ultimatum... if your not with us then your against us. Which brings us full circle, community and country is kind of like having a Rottweiler as a pet because the moment you stop feeding it you may become food. Be careful what you wish for you may just get it.

AC

Ac

I need to give you the keys to the whole matter.

Are you ready.

Most people miss the challenge.

Did any one read the challenge Satan made to God as found in the Bible?

If so, what was THAT challenge? What was it AC?

I am going to tell all of you now and this world and the scriptures should make more sense after this.

The challenge was that Satan boasted that if God turned him loose on the people that he Satan would have everyone who tasted of his sinning lifestyle(Doing it in the road so to speak) eating out of his hand and they would never care or even bother with the righteous principles of the ALMIGHTY CREATOR.

I doubt you understood what I just said so let me say it another way. You will not hear this in organized relig.

Relig teachers do not police their flock so they can live the do it in the road lifestyle and still show up in cHurch Sunday morning to give some more of those green stamps.

Heaven forbid that the offerings should drop right?

Of course the excuse is "EVERYBODY DOES IT" yet the 15 year old girls walk in late with their parents coming all of the way to the front right in the middle of the service wearing skirts that almost expose their under panties.

Everybody does it out in the world as they say but what about doing "IT" right in the cHurch building?

You don't have to tell me what goes on in organized relig, I lived the life for over 40 years as a preacher and was totally a confused mess.

Okay let's get back to the nitty gritty.



@AC

Did you know about this challenge?

You see it takes an entire lifetime of discovering and exploration to find what sin is hurtful and what is killing a person before they can actually rock back in their proverbial chair to declare it.

Face it people are like little playful children who learn as they go and this is the way it has been created.

@AC

Yes I agree take life a day at a time, live it to the full, rejoice, everything is underway just as planned.

The plan is to let people sin or be exposed to the possibilities of sinning so they can choose to sin if they like even if they are not calling it a sin.

At this point there are many who would ask me what is a sin?

Often their reason for asking this question is so they can justify continuing their present course. They are told killing is a sin and they answer"what if they deserved it?"

These hate the talk of right and wrong so if you know what is right, where did you get that set of values from?

Common sense? BS. It came from grandma saying it was wrong when you were little as the values are passed on from generation to generation.

Now let's go back and talk about the challenge.

I am a slow typist and am at work right now so let me leave you with this.

The masses of the people have been given the choice to follow righteous principles (whatever that is based on) and also to follow the 'Do it in the road" immoral code.

The people have been given a choice.

This is the goal.

Can you see what I mean?

If everyone is perfect and never sample code violations, how can they have a choice. No, they only have a choice when the people have both sides of the coin.

To be or not to be, to live or not to live, to die or not to die, a choice.

Sampling and living a sinful code violating life is needed so a choice can be made.

The challenge was that once the demonic powers took control of an individuals life force that they would never come back to the dry life style of obedience to God's Law.

However the rest of the story has not yet been shared in the form of God's response. God said this "Go for it" "get them" "just try it" as the self existent one gave the green light for testing to begin.

The final declaration God made was that most of them who sin and follow darkness will never serve HIM yet there would be a few who loved HIM and would be ashamed of their failure, crying out for the help needed to escape.

You see at this point those who have heard this challenge before have missed one thing. The challenge stated that "ALL" I repeat "EVERYBODY" would go away from the unknown one GOD.

So the challenge was that "ALL" would worship and follow the "do it in the road" propagator and Satan would replace the unknown God as King.

While many of us have righteous values and may not knew why, remember that so many more young people are being born daily and need to go through all of these same tests.

In the process of watching every young person go through all of the violations I made, kind of flashes in my face and is sickening at times, Yes?

Like when a puppy goes potty on the floor the excrement must be used to get the violator attention, so the pup must suffer that brutal lesson of having it rubbed in his face, No?

Just having fun like you said AC, No? Yes?

Anyway all these things you probably know or had heard some of it.

So what people miss is that man was set up "TO SIN" and violating rules is the wild side plus considered fun to many. Violators "ALL"

"I can do and say anything I want" Yes?

Now the question is NOT who is a violator because we are violators "ALL" by design.

The question is "WHO LOVES IT"

That is the point of the test "WHO LOVES THEIR VIOLATING" or better yet who even knows what a violation is?

I agree, rejoice and people need to follow what is inside them and generally do and nothing will be hidden as they do this. This is the test.

Do it till yer satisfied.

Mike

[cikljamas]

Well Malcolm, what you actually assert is that the Bible is total bunkum, don't you realize your blasphemy? If you don't i will gladly help you: ...-- Psalms 136:6: to him who spread out the earth upon the waters, for his steadfast love endures forever...Isaiah 44:24: Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb; "I am the Lord, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth -- Who was with me? -- If the earth were spherical, one would use a verb other than "spread out" to describe its creation (balled up, gathered up, gathered together, anything but spread out). One might say they "spread out" batter to make pancakes but no one would ever say they "spread out" hamburger to make meatballs. The earth in the Bible was "spread out" because it is flat******Psalms 103:12: as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us... On a spherical earth, one could travel east or west indefinitely. This passage is actually stressing that there is a limit to the directions east and west. That is, after some long journey, one would run out of east or west having reached the end of the earth. This contention is further justified in numerous passages. Just one example: Deuteronomy 28:64: And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other; and there you shall serve other gods, of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.

Funny, isn't it?

And now, something completely different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGb_jzaUWOg

[BroMikey]

One fingered Typist

Well Malcolm, what you actually assert is that the Bible is total bunkum, don't you realize your blasphemy? If you don't i will gladly help you: ...-- Psalms 136:6: to him who spread out the earth upon the waters, for his steadfast love endures forever...Isaiah 44:24: Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb; "I am the Lord, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth -- Who was with me? -- If the earth were spherical, one would use a verb other than "spread out" to describe its creation (balled up, gathered up, gathered together, anything but spread out). One might say they "spread out" batter to make pancakes but no one would ever say they "spread out" hamburger to make meatballs. The earth in the Bible was "spread out" because it is flat******Psalms 103:12: as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us... On a spherical earth, one could travel east or west indefinitely. This passage is actually stressing that there is a limit to the directions east and west. That is, after some long journey, one would run out of east or west having reached the end of the earth. This contention is further justified in numerous passages. Just one example: Deuteronomy 28:64: And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other; and there you shall serve other gods, of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.

Funny, isn't it?

And now, something completely different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGb_jzaUWOg

Well i wooda typed all that out just like that if i wasn't one handed typist.


Mike