Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

Well Tut, the others may be fine with what you say, but I'm certainly not. 'You're pretty sure', instills no confidence in me whatsoever. We were led to believe that you have cracked this thing... were we not? Sounds to me like you've gone off half-cocked here and are now grasping at tenuous threads.

Personally Tut, I think that you're all talk and that nothing substantial will ever be forthcoming from you... but by all means prove me wrong!

Oh, but you won't ever be able to do that will you because of your NDA. Handy little get-out-of-jail-free cards those NDAs. Seems to me like a few people around here conveniently use them when they come unstuck.

What are you doing here? Do you not understand the principle behind an open source forum?

You ask me why I'm here?? Ok .. you want that I send to your home an converted micronic car?? For you is all free probably because you live surely on the moon.. here on earth is very different.. don't exist respect from humans... they live only for moneys!! I DON'T WANT TO BE AN STANDARD MAN AND FOR THAT REASON I SHARE SOME INFO!! Farrah.. IS IN YOUR KARMA to help people?? Is every the same story ..you want all informations but don't want share nothing!! If you have read better all threads I have send more more informations, of course ...I can't send complete planning because I work on that system with another person from two years and I have invested a lot of moneys.. Maybe you can't accept these info because you are only an copier?? Maybe your object , includng some other peoples present on forum (that in fact are companies) is crack system ONLY for reach business?? Tha't is very crazy world!! and you ask me about open source...

[citfta]

Still waiting

I agree with you Farrah, we were told several months ago we would see some great things in April. We were told we would see a running car in May if I remember correctly. Well it's half way through July and I still don't see anything. I think somebody had a lot of false hopes or is trying to mislead people for some reason. Either way I don't have much faith in anything Tut says anymore. Sorry for the negative attitude, but that is just the way I see it.

Carroll

[tutanka]

I agree with you Farrah, we were told several months ago we would see some great things in April. We were told we would see a running car in May if I remember correctly. Well it's half way through July and I still don't see anything. I think somebody had a lot of false hopes or is trying to mislead people for some reason. Either way I don't have much faith in anything Tut says anymore. Sorry for the negative attitude, but that is just the way I see it.

Carroll

Instead I see that I have true!! Peoples want want want .. for nothing!!

[Farrah Day]

You ask me why I'm here?? Ok .. you want that I send to your home an converted micronic car?? For you is all free probably because you live surely on the moon.. here on earth is very different.. don't exist respect from humans... they live only for moneys!! I DON'T WANT TO BE AN STANDARD MAN AND FOR THAT REASON I SHARE SOME INFO!! Farrah.. IS IN YOUR KARMA to help people?? Is every the same story ..you want all informations but don't want share nothing!! If you have read better all threads I have send more more informations, of course ...I can't send complete planning because I work on that system with another person from two years and I have invested a lot of moneys.. Maybe you can't accept these info because you are only an copier?? Maybe your object , includng some other peoples present on forum (that in fact are companies) is crack system ONLY for reach business?? Tha't is very crazy world!! and you ask me about open source...

Go on then, if you insist, I'll have one of your micronic cars... I'll email you my address. I'll even pay the postage!

Same old pitch really isn't it? Twisting, turning, wriggling around like a worm on the end of a fishing hook.

What has this got to do with my Karma or my sharing information? You are the one saying you have a working device, not me! You are the one that said that you would share! I'll share with you - what do you want to know?

As far as I can see any so-called 'informations' you have so kindly provided have simply sent everyone scurrying about in all different directions. No one has any real idea of what you are doing or which way to go. Ammonia was the big word a while back, now it's Methylamine... c'mon make up your mind!

All I see is conflicting information, confusion and broken promises, and anyone else with half-a-brain, if honest, will say the same.

I reiterate, you don't even seem to know yourself what you're doing.

I just hope that no one is taking you too seriously, or else they're in for a big drop back down to Earth... and reality.

[Farrah Day]

Instead I see that I have true!! Peoples want want want .. for nothing!!

Yeh... whatever.

[chasson321]

Instead I see that I have true!! Peoples want want want .. for nothing!!

That's kind-of the point of open source something being given for the good of humanity.

Tim

[citfta]

Same old story

Instead I see that I have true!! Peoples want want want .. for nothing!!

I didn't say I wanted anything other than you to back up your claims. You are the one who keeps saying you have the secret and you'll show us your results at this time or maybe that time or maybe sometime. Either show us your results or quit pretending you have something to show us.


Carroll

[pengrove]

Instead I see that I have true!! Peoples want want want .. for nothing!!

tutanka I would be willing to pay a $500.00 usd fee for a NDA! So then it would not be free and you would have some small change to play with!

[Aaron]

who is doing the experiments?

How many people here are actually doing the experiments with
ionizing ambient air and trying different variations of adding HHO
to the mix?

I see a lot of criticism, but who is doing the experiments?

Nobody can say there isn't enough info here to know what to do.

[Farrah Day]

How many people here are actually doing the experiments with
ionizing ambient air and trying different variations of adding HHO
to the mix?

I see a lot of criticism, but who is doing the experiments?

Nobody can say there isn't enough info here to know what to do.

Oh, I think that people can rightly say that there is not enough information here to know what to do... do you know what to do? Nitrous oxide, atomic nitrogen, ammonia, and now methylamine... now ask yourself is the criticsim not justified?

The problem as I see it is that from the very first post, claims have been made, but are covered by a NDA. You yourself then spent many posts trying to second guess Tut... all to no avail. It's all here in black and white. Given your spiritual insight, do you not yet smell a rat?

Long ago I asked for some clarity on everyones thinking in order to establish some common ground, but you denied this, stating that everyone had a right to their privacy... bull****. Is this or is this not 'open source'. If people are not prepared to open source, to talk, what are they doing here... what is the point? If you are covered by an NDA, why post at all, why bother unless you get a thrill from the celebrity, from being the centre of attention? And why aren't they banned for wasting time?

Never has Tut actually ever provided anything by way of evidence that he really has anything tangible... you have simply taken his word for it. We don't even have a youtube video!

Why are you defending him?

Cryptic clues and guessing games is all I see... that's all there's ever been. It's quite pathetic really.

Why don't you tell Tut that unless he is prepared to disclose useful information that he should bugger off and be a tease somewhere else? Afterall this is a win win situation - he is either going to tell you or he never has any intention of doing so!

How many times have you been on this ride to nowwhere?

[dave_cahoon]

Aaron, Tut,

I have and still intend to do more, on the contents of good clean woodgas. Use H to Fix N which fixes the H to Nitrogen. Moving part of the hydrogen mono-atomic reaction to the combuster instead of happening in the reactor or cooler... Hoping the high electron temps would destroy tar molecules also..

Tut you made claims that insinuated you had this done and working. Because of your claims and baiting, I had put off further (Drexel like experiments) pending. You managed to delay me not stop me,, others?? The idea is sound people.

Wind Water and Air into fuel Welcome to Ammonia Fuel Network (AFN)
Dave

[Farrah Day]

Mission: To promote the implementation of anhydrous ammonia as an affordable, sustainable, carbon-free fuel for transportation and stationary power applications, thereby enhancing economic security, reducing fossil-fuel dependence, and helping save the environment.

Anhydrous ammonia is an ultra-clean, energy-dense alternative liquid fuel. Ammonia is the only fuel other than hydrogen that produces no greenhouse gases (GHG) on combustion. Ammonia will power diesel and spark-ignited internal combustion engines, direct ammonia fuel cells, and even combustion turbines. And, ammonia can be manufactured from simply water and air using clean renewable energy.

Dave, I think your falling behind here, ammonia was last months fuel of choice, this month it's Methylamine.

So forget the carbon-free fuel.

Do try to keep up.

[Aaron]

Purpose Of This Thread

Oh, I think that people can rightly say that there is not enough information here to know what to do... do you know what to do? Nitrous oxide, atomic nitrogen, ammonia, and now methylamine... now ask yourself is the criticsim not justified?

The problem as I see it is that from the very first post, claims have been made, but are covered by a NDA. You yourself then spent many posts trying to second guess Tut... all to no avail. It's all here in black and white. Given your spiritual insight, do you not yet smell a rat?

Long ago I asked for some clarity on everyones thinking in order to establish some common ground, but you denied this, stating that everyone had a right to their privacy... bull****. Is this or is this not 'open source'. If people are not prepared to open source, to talk, what are they doing here... what is the point? If you are covered by an NDA, why post at all, why bother unless you get a thrill from the celebrity, from being the centre of attention? And why aren't they banned for wasting time?

Never has Tut actually ever provided anything by way of evidence that he really has anything tangible... you have simply taken his word for it. We don't even have a youtube video!

Why are you defending him?

Cryptic clues and guessing games is all I see... that's all there's ever been. It's quite pathetic really.

Why don't you tell Tut that unless he is prepared to disclose useful information that he should bugger off and be a tease somewhere else? Afterall this is a win win situation - he is either going to tell you or he never has any intention of doing so!

How many times have you been on this ride to nowwhere?

People that are not doing the experiments can rightly criticize? I don't
agree because that is simply making comments from the peanut gallery.
More details have been shared with those in private that have shown
that they are actually doing experiments relating to the info shared in
this thread. So anyone that hasn't had the courtesy to do the experiments,
ionize air and mix it with electrolytic hydrogen in different sequences and
used for example nh3 test strips from a pet store, etc... to see if there
are traces of ammonia, etc..., I don't think anyone that hasn't done this
has room to criticize anything in this thread, period.

Comprehending how not only NH3 can be made from ambient air, electricity
and electrolytic hydrogen but IS being made through the process explained
here and has been proven is key. There are multiple molecular variations
that can be had through these processes and MULTIPLE variations are
successful. Throwing out "nitrous oxide" "atomic hydrogen", etc... all
together is ludicrous. They are ALL related to this system and are created
in different stages of the process. Making it sound like there is a bunch of
flipflopping around on the chemicals by naming those particular ones is
straight up ridiculous.

Trying to second guess Alex? You haven't comprehended it at all. What I
was doing was trying to figure out his specific explanation of the ionization
process since something he said in h2opower's Meyer thread caught my eye
as being related to something I was specifically looking for. I'm interested
in other people's specific processes and have no problem putting all my own
opinions aside in order to learn them even though there are other variations
of similar processes that I learned. Hence the asking of questions from
ground up. It is what any truly open minded person would do. I would
suggest that anyone that thinks they know what they're talking about
forget what they think they know and look at things with fresh eyes.

You need to comprehend that nobody is obligated to share anything they
don't want to and that what is shared you "should" be thankful for. I believe
you ALREADY bowed out of this thread which would probably be a good idea
since it is blatantly obvious that none of this fits your preconceived ideas.

I haven't taken anyone's word for anything and by stating this, you prove
what your analytical abilities are, or are lacking. Jumping to such ridiculous
assumptions appears to be habitual. That might work for you, but not for
me so please keep such insight to yourself or to your own threads where
they may be appreciated. If you think I'm the type of person to just take
someone's word as final or the end all be all, you really absolutely know
nothing about me. I find your comments insulting as they personal attack
me as being a type of person that I am not.

While you and a few others are busy complaining, I have been
purchased thousands of dollars in machine shop equipment amongst other
things to prove things to myself because I don't take other people's
word as gospel no matter who it is. Your insights and intuitions have been
less than clear about me and a whole lot of other things relating to this
particular thread. And I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars unless
I DO have evidence that this entire process is feasible by cheap low
budget experiments that I have ALREADY conducted months ago because
again, I'm not taking anyone's word for it.

And for your information, as it has ALREADY been stated multiple times,
Alex is not the only one that has a working process. This has been pointed
out to you several times yet you keep repeating yourself as if it hasn't
been said.

Actually, there was one youtube video that showed a motor, which was
part of a project covered by NDA but that is besides the point. It ran on
water but that still can't be proven on a video. But the point is, you say
there wasn't so much as a youtube video when there was. You have missed
virtually everything that has ever been posted in this thread.

I'm not necessarily defending Alex, I'm bringing up the fact that I don't
appreciate desk jockey criticism by those who aren't even experimenting
with mixing ionized air and hho. I started this thread to discuss this process
and if there are those that want to only wait for Alex to release something
commercially, that is yours or their issue. That has NOTHING to do with
why this thread was started. I hope Alex does release something
commercially soon based on this process or a variation of it but why do
I want to depend on him when there is enough information in this thread to
do it myself to various degrees?

In my opinion, this makes more sense. Do my own work on this applying what is known and what has been shared and if there is something that
comes along that I can simply buy that makes my own efforts obsolete,
I'll buy it on the spot and move on to the next thing. I don't have any
attachment to my own work in a situation like that.

Cryptic clues? Ionizing ambient air and mixing it with electrolytic hydrogen
is about as common sense as it gets. Pathetic you say? Get real! There are
many variations of this concept that can be experimented with with a
low budget and low technology.

Tell Alex to do this elsewhere? You're causing trouble plain and simple.
You know what is in this thread, you don't agree with it, so leave.
There are other threads here in this forum that you either started or are
participating in. Leave this one alone. I started it, I set the rules for this
thread and if you don't like how it is progressing, that's too bad. I like it
myself and the info that is in it that DOES reveal the key to the process
stands for the record for anyone that does get it.

Ride to nowhere? You sound bitter because it sounds like you are the
one that has been disappointed over and over. Not me. I have multiple
successes. I don't waste my time on anything that in my own judgment
doesn't have merit and you don't feel this does, so why not leave? Leave
my thread and stop posting your criticism and that applies
to anyone that doesn't like what is happening in this thread.

I'm not waiting for anyone to release anything commercially. I do my own
experiments and apply the common sense principles that have been spelled
out. This thread is a treasure trove of golden nuggets for anyone that
can get out of their own way long enough to see that there are many
answers right here.

Several of these key answers have been given by SEVERAL members
and they are available to everyone. It isn't a matter of if the info has been
shared or not. It is a matter of whether or not it has even been perceived
at all.

Farrah, you are free to start a thread that states your opinions of why
the ionization/nh3 process is difficult for you to believe. But don't do it
so that you are attacking anyone. Just state your beliefs. There are
obviously some members that share your viewpoint and their opinions are
welcome where it is on topic. Polluting this thread with repeated
nonsense over and over not only gets old and boring, it makes it hard for
anyone to go through this thread and find the relevant info because they
have to wade through a bunch of whining.

And to Tim/Chasson, you can pop up with this being the point to open
source but the first thing you did right before h2opower was about to
be removed was that h2opower AND YOU started to delete all your
"open source" posts so stop playing these games. Leave this thread and
and don't post again unless it is showing YOUR own experiments with
mixing ionized ambient air and hho, that isn't negotiable.

I will start to delete the noise in this thread as it pops up so please don't
waste my time or yours. Turning this thread into a "When is Alex going to
release something commercially, etc..." is NOT going to happen. Go to the
thread that Rosco started so you don't have to
start a redundant thread and discuss it there.

This post:

http://www.energeticforum.com/81698-post20.html

At the beginning of this thread, I stated:

"The main interest I have for this thread is the concept of ionization of the
mixture getting burned."

That means there is ionization in the process of the air/water that
creates a mixture that runs the engine.

Ionization is the key and this is the TOPIC of this thread.
Complaining and griping that someone hasn't released something
yet is OFF TOPIC FOR THIS THREAD.

Go here to discuss that, NOT IN THIS THREAD...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5360-announcement-4.html

[mina]

Hello everyone,

I have been wading through this thread from beginning to end and it is weighted down pretty heavily by the naysayers. I am deeply involved in experimentation of another process and aspect of hydrogen technology and I will not be bringing any of that to this thread, lest I become a hypocrite myself.

Eventually I will need to use a system similar to this one as part of my setup which is why I read through this entire thread.

This is my first post here and I want to mention how thankful I am for the information contained within this thread. What a wealth of useful information with the exception of posts from people who seem to be ungrateful and unhappy to be here.

Thank you, tutanka, for the sharing that which you have. Some people here also seem to forget that you are under no obligation whatsoever to share more than you decide to.

Regards,
mina

[tutanka]

Dave, I think your falling behind here, ammonia was last months fuel of choice, this month it's Methylamine.

So forget the carbon-free fuel.

Do try to keep up.

I repeat me again and again..

Using the described ionization process is possble obtain different gas fuels like amonia, methylamine,etc,..