Stan Meyers Water Fuel Injectors explained

[HMS-776]

"...the two electrodes undergo states of polarization.....the inner surface of the outer ring electrode (the electrode that is in contact with the fluid) becomes negatively charged"

Both inventors claim the same effect in their Water Fuel Injectors, But what exactly is electron clustering? And how does a negative charge just form?


The answer is known in physics as ELECTROSTATIC INDUCTION!



Electrostatic induction is when one charged object charges another nearby object.

If I have an object which has a positive charge (lack of electrons) and I put it toward another object the positive charge will attract electrons toward it, creating a negative charge (defined as an area with an excess of electrons) (Stan calls it electron clustering) on the surface closest to the positive charged object.


Electrostatic induction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electrostatics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YouTube - electrostatic induction


Now we know that the Water Fuel Injectors have both a positive and negative voltage, and that they split the water molecule in the same way the original WFC did. Using high voltage of opposite polarity while restricting current.



Why the Injectors are TaperedThe Quenching Circuitquenching circuit to prevent gas ignition inside traveling voltage wave guide"



The design above was done after hours of research on Stan Meyers Tech Brief, Patents, Pictures, and from people who have seen them first hand.

The tapered section is a uniform (smooth) taper, the drawing shows it stepped, but that's as best as I could get with the drawing program I have.

The injector tapered section can be expected to have a capacitance range of 1000-5000pF (with the dielectric constant being 20-60) with a length of 4", a large dia of 1/2", and a small dia of 1/16" with a .01 spacing between the plates.


NOTE: The dimensions I mentiond above has not been confirmed yet. I need to figure out what the flow rate will be using the deimensions above, just as with conventional injectors the flow rate and pressure determine HP!

200SX S13 ~ Injector Size Calculation

Please read the following threads for more understanding on Stan Meyers Water Fuel Injectors:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...injectors.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...resonance.html

[HMS-776]

System Description

System Description

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We start in the water tank. There the Steam resonator
keeps the water from freezing in cold climates.

The injector size and pump pressure are specifically chosen (designed)
to work on vehicles up to 400HP. The fuel pump pumps only the water.

Vacuum is created in the mixing chamber, connected to the mixing
chamber are 3 differential solenoids (valves) which control idle bypass air
flow, Ionized excited oxygen gas flow (from the Gas Processor),
& Exhaust gas recirculation flow. They are connected to engine vacuum
just under the throttle plate.

The differential solenoids are controlled by analog circuits (DC-
varying voltage). These circuits get their information (varying
voltage output) from the accelerator pedal, the air pressure sensor,
the rpm sensor, and the engine temperature sensor. The varying voltage
signals are added together using various summing circuits (Tech Brief
pg 3-28) and the output voltages are used to control the current flow
through FET's which control how much the following solenoids (valves) open or close:

1. Idle Air bypass
2.Gas Processor (mixing chamber)
3.Recirculated Exhaust (mixing chamber)

The circuits are also used to control the duty cycle of the Injectors

The Injector solenoids are opened using the
Laser Distributor, using LED's and Photodiodes (A
photodiode is a type of photodetector capable of converting light into
either current or voltage, wikipedia). The laser distributor has a
rotating part which moves between the LED and photodiode to create a
pulsed signal. The pulses tell the circuit(s) when to open
the injector solenoid(s), and a variety of engine parameters
are used to control the duty cycle (on time vs off time).

Example of laser distributor:
go to pat2pdf.org and find patent 7,267,105
"Optically triggered electronic distributor for an internal combustion engine"

[TRON]

no mystery here...

Dont forget... just like a spark plug the system is grounded to the cylinder head of the engine because the injector replaces the original spark plug. The threaded part of the tapered cone/cavity is the negative polarity and the center electrode/taper is the positive polarity... no fancy charges or electron swaps ...simple

[HMS-776]

Exactly! Thanks Tron.

I will try to provide a drawing of a simple injector design so people can understand it even better.

[TRON]

The system installed in any car...

Well FIRST we have to ASSUME that this technology works. WE MUST BELIEVE that Hydrogen and Oxygen have inherent energy that is usable BEYOND what it takes to release them from water. I keep telling people that Hydrogen gas has energy built in. When combined with oxygen it has even more energy. But THEY keep telling me that "Obviously, if it were possible to get a free lunch, some university scientist or researcher would have figured it out by now" People cant get past the "something for nothing" angle. WHAT IF it WAS possible to use very little energy, under the right conditions, to break the covalent bond between H and O? WHAT IF Stan MEyer was a REAL CHRISTIAN, and NOT a professing fraud like many of the "so-called" christians today. WHAT IF HE actually DID figure this out!
Well my friend thats a lot of what if's to spend hard earned money trying to figure out. Especially for a father of 4 who hasnt worked since JULY 2008! (just because you have a degree, doesn't mean theres a job available!)
SO keep trying, keep posting... dont ever pretend t have it figured out... unless you can post HARD DATA, PHOTOS and FACTS. Then we can all break the chains of fossil fuel addiction and environmental damage!

The thought of making this really work has me wondering how to best promote it. How can we come together without interference from the MIB's?
You dont REALLY think OBAMA wants to hand over the economy to a bunch of backyard scientists do you?... he's just as corrupt as all the other politicians out there being paid off by billionaire oil giants! NO, what we need is a plan. Figure it out, post it, show close friends everything, give them free copies of the data on DVDs and have them do the same.... JUST like AMWAY! we will have such a huge downline that tracing the originator will be impossible! THAT is GOD's NEW WORLD ORDER! life the way HE intended it!
By the way, That's not a pitch fork in SATANS CLAW...Its a GASOLINE PUMP HANDLE!

[boguslaw]

Consider another explanation. If potential is radiant , if it's a wave in magnetic field, then voltage is difference of potentials ,which means it is a difference of waves.Maybe then such difference can create standing waves or standing-moving waves and such waves could create interference patterns in some cases. Such interference patterns are electrons.

I mean maybe Meyer found a way to create electrons directly inside of the water exactly in the center between electrodes...
Excess of electrons has influence on dynamic balance between water molecules and dissociated ions. Water dielectric feature could be then used to keep electrons in center between electrodes to not shorting circuit.

Think about it...

[TRON]

The injector tapered section can be expected to have a capacitance range of 1000-5000pF (with the dielectric constant being 20-60) with a length of 4", a large dia of 1/2", and a small dia of 1/16" with a .01 spacing between the plates.

Actually find the average diameter of the tapered electrode by finding the diameter at the mid point. using the gap and that midpoint diameter the capacitance is 744.34 pF with a 4" long electrode

[TRON]

And the resonant calcs are...

744.34 pF at 100 Khz =

[Guest]

I guess it is better to measure the capacitance but anyway good work, I wil be very interested in seeing the results.

Anyone thought about using an ultrasonic fogger to inject micron size water droplets? Should be interesting.

[aljhoa]

See also,
Electrostatic device: Kelvin's Thunderstorm, 'Inline' version
Al

[HMS-776]

As I stated in my posts here. Stan's engine control circuits were analog circuits.

The awesome thing about his setup is that he used summing circuits to control all engine parameters, so you could simply adjust a few Pots until everything ran correctly. That made his system able to retrofit to any car up to 400HP, all one would have to do is install it, and adjust the pots until they got it started, then put the car on a dyno, or drive it and keep adjusting the pots until everything ran right!

Proof of this can easily be found in the tech Breif on page 3-28, and in the following:

As Stan states in his patent # 5,293,857 Paragraph 6

"Idling, low temperature operation adjustments or other calibration adjustments for normal or ambient conditions are made by trim pots."