One magnet no bearing Bedini motor

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I got it !

Well thank you lidmotor for the cool gadget . Jonnydavro gave me the hint that to start the oscillation you have to spin a magnet in front of it .It lit right up . I had to put a 10 k resistor and a 15 k pot on mine to light it up bright but it appears to work . Still looking for the Z Concave mirror but its a nice project . Merry Christmas again only 5 days !!
Peace and good will . I have a cool little invention if you would like to see . Its made with a jule thief and does somthing that i got a lot of bad comments on . I do it everytime . I guess people just dont want to believe if they never saw it before . anyways here it is part 1 and 2 Its not a scam and i was told volts dont matter from some one who knows it all . Me i don't know nothing i guess but i like what i made anyway . before i made the video i have to pull the run battery because it was too high 1.7 volts so i put another in its place .
YouTube - selfrunning E-light.wmv
YouTube - E light part2

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[fusionchip]

It didnt spin

Hi . well it wont spin a magnet . It will light after i spin a diametric magnet in from of it but just stops spinning no matter how close i get to it . I can get it so close that its attracted to the coil and the led gets brighter . I noticed without a battery in it the led will light up with just me spinnig a magnet in front of it . I guess My coil is not as good as yours Lidmotor , I tried all resistance with a resistor wheel . any suggestion . Oh i used a 2n2222a can transistor . you think that is the cause of it not wanting to spin . also it is possible i have to sure spin this magnet to match the oscillations .? Will you magnet start at a finger spin rate and gain speed or have you got to spin the heck out of to start with . I tried to spin is as fast as i can and it spins by itself for about a min without a coil ? , also i put tape on my coil to protect it from flying magnets HElp please .

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[Lidmotor]

Spinning the magnet

Hi . well it wont spin a magnet . It will light after i spin a diametric magnet in from of it but just stops spinning no matter how close i get to it . I can get it so close that its attracted to the coil and the led gets brighter . I noticed without a battery in it the led will light up with just me spinnig a magnet in front of it . I guess My coil is not as good as yours Lidmotor , I tried all resistance with a resistor wheel . any suggestion . Oh i used a 2n2222a can transistor . you think that is the cause of it not wanting to spin . also it is possible i have to sure spin this magnet to match the oscillations .? Will you magnet start at a finger spin rate and gain speed or have you got to spin the heck out of to start with . I tried to spin is as fast as i can and it spins by itself for about a min without a coil ? , also i put tape on my coil to protect it from flying magnets HElp please .

Fusionchip

I don't know??? I can run mine on three the three different size magnets that I have. It might be the motor coil that you have. What I would try is this: Lose the high base resistance (use a 20 to 100 ohm just to protect the transistor a bit). Get a radio tuned to a null AM station near the coil and spin the magnet in front of the coil. You will hear the transistor firing on the radio if the magnet is triggering the circuit. The led will blink to firing. If that doesn't work you might try reversing the led hookup or try another one. I have had trouble with some (cheap China ones) just not working in this circuit.
@ Jonny ---You have any ideas??

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No Joy

Ok Thank you Lidmotor . It will barley light on anything below 1 k i tried all the was from 5 ohms to 100 k . After 1 k it triggers and lights up bright and i hear it oscillating in the radio but after the light comes on it never blinks unless the magnet gets right on the coil . And with out the battery it light up anyways from induction at that point . I even tried winding another coil on top of the other coil thinking that the trigger coil was not working but when i did that i get it to blink the led from the center tap to the resistor but still no joy on all my magnets even the ball satellite ? . Which ever coil spins the magnet it not doing its job . If i knew the resistance of your coils i might could figure this out . I even tried reversing everything , It don't oscillate the other way . O well . thanks anyway . I was really hoping to make this work after i bought a 17 dollar fan but . i think i need your part number . I could not see it in the video and now i know there are some that are tapped that won't work .I guess some one could make there own coil on a small spool i guess and get the same effect but without resistance measurement it is a shot in the dark . Merry Christmas guys ..

[jonnydavro]

@Fusionchip.Hi Al.I have measured the resistance of my coil and looking at it from the back with the tab for the base on the left it measure's-
Left tab to centre- 201.5 ohms
right tab to centre- 19.5 ohms
left tab to right tab -221 ohms
Quite a bit of difference to what you have AL.
It would be interesting to know Lidmotors coil specs to see if there is a bit of wiggle room on coil choice.
What is the current draw of a 1.5v battery when you have the Led lit?
You have tried most things i would of suggested apart from the mirror but you are pretty ingenious Al and i am sure you will get it going somehow.Merry Christmas.Regards jonny

[Lidmotor]

Troubled sleep

@ Fussionchip & Jonny
I lost some sleep last night trying to figure out what went wrong.
I will unsolder mine today and check the resistances then get back to you. We may have completely different motor coils. This morning I tried a few things to trouble shoot why one of these things wouldn't work. Here are several things that I noticed:

1) If there is ANY ferrous metal or magnets near it the rotor doesn't fire the transistor right or not at all. Mine won't run on the kitchen countertop because of the metal in the drawers beneath it.

2) A VERY smooth dished out surface (the mirror) is needed to keep the friction down on the rotor.

3) On mine the rotor has to be started with a fast twist on the wooden dowel rod spinner shaft. Without the shaft I can't get the rotor to spin fast enough to start it. N / S poles must face the coil

4) The ball on the bottom of the magnet rotor is just a non-magnatized steel ball bearing. If you are using a neo ball it might not work.

5) Mine works just like Jonny's and you can run a neo ball inside it instead of the cylinder rotor. In fact mine will run my liitle guy 'Turner's' shaft mounted rotor but very slowly unless it run it on higher voltage.

6) Your transistor should be firing with just a small value base resistor. It makes a "tick, tick, tick, tick, tick" sound on the radio. Amp draw should be 30 mA or much less. On the self-oscillation mode, the frequency is way up there ( according to my scope) at 5 khz. The rotor generated frequency lays on top of that.

CosmicGnarler is having the same trouble getting his to work. It just might be the coil differences but I think that there is some other problem. It might be a transistor problem even.
I did mine like Jonny did on a bread board first before I soldered it up. It worked the first time I tried it.

Sorry that you are having trouble.

Lidmotor

[Lidmotor]

GREATLY!! different coils

@ Fussionchip & Jonny
I just unsoldered and measured my coil resistances and the coil is greatly different than either of yours. Mine is like this: Looking at the back of the coil at the tabs---

Left tab to center is 83 ohms
Right tab to center tab is 23 ohms
Left tab to right tab is 106 ohms

Fussionchip---Your coil will never work unless you rewind it with fine gauge wire.
The motor that my coil came out of is model# OH SUNG OEM-1011X1 Microwave Exhaust Fan Motor. You can find it on EBay for $16 + $6 shipping but I wouldn't spend any more money on this project. Just wind another coil if you want to try this again. I'm thinking that a 3 or 4 to 1 coil wrap ratio will do it.

Here is a direct link to the Ebay motor--
OH SUNG OEM-1011X1 Microwave Exhaust Fan Motor - eBay (item 350209973787 end time Dec-30-09 19:57:37 PST)

Lidmotor

[CosmicFarmer]

also i put tape on my coil to protect it from flying magnets HElp please .

That sounds about like me again ;-)
Tried 2 magnet sizes, too big and way too big. The little mirror helped.

The winding already on the coil was 110 ohms. My wind was a little thicker wire at 12 ohms. I thought that the longer wind goes to the base but I will try the other way later, when I dig out of all this snow. Man its thick !

I would not say failures yet as I have not quit, simply backburnered for a little bit.

Thanks again for your simple parts coherance discovery

[synchro]

Self charging 2 led circuit.

Joit posted two youtube url's for Zeropoint132's 2 LED self charging circuit. Zeropoint132 has a 3" diameter bifilar coil, 50 wraps of 30 swg for primary and 200 wraps of 30 for the secondary. Between the secondary and the battery he has a 1500uf capacitor that he alledges is charging the battery. I would like to see Zeropoint132 replace the fixed farad capacitor with a variable capacitor, and tune it to resonance with his secondary winding. I believe the charge from the secondary merely transits the battery and returns the pulse directly to the primary. I believe Zeropoint can remove his battery from his system entirely, if he replaces his 1500uf fixed farad capacitor with the variable type, recognizable as a half moon radio tuner, and adjusts it to tank resonance with his secondary winding.

[fusionchip]

Thank You Jony and Lidmotor

@ Fussionchip & Jonny
I just unsoldered and measured my coil resistances and the coil is greatly different than either of yours. Mine is like this: Looking at the back of the coil at the tabs---

Left tab to center is 83 ohms
Right tab to center tab is 23 ohms
Left tab to right tab is 106 ohms

Fussionchip---Your coil will never work unless you rewind it with fine gauge wire.
The motor that my coil came out of is model# OH SUNG OEM-1011X1 Microwave Exhaust Fan Motor. You can find it on EBay for $16 + $6 shipping but I wouldn't spend any more money on this project. Just wind another coil if you want to try this again. I'm thinking that a 3 or 4 to 1 coil wrap ratio will do it.

Here is a direct link to the Ebay motor--
OH SUNG OEM-1011X1 Microwave Exhaust Fan Motor - eBay (item 350209973787 end time Dec-30-09 19:57:37 PST)

Lidmotor

Yes that is why . I don't have that much resistance and so its a lot smaller and no wonder it wont spin my magnets ,just too week . Hey thanks a lot for measuring them for me and everyone else . I will take some tesla wire(#32) and gut it and wind me a few new coils on there . I will also take note which way they are woung on there and document it in case someone else wants to wind one up on a piece if pvc or something . I really like that liittl thing. It is too cool ! .
Hey Merry Christmas Guys and have a holly jolly one ! . Oh a bit off subject but has anyone see a jt put more amps and volts out than in ? I never had until this one : YouTube - Joule thief put more amps and volts out than in
Sorry for the crappy lighting and focus . It was 3 am and i didn't set the camera up correct .

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[jonnydavro]

@Joit and Synchro.Thanks for posting the imformation and thoughts on Zeropoints circuits. It looks interesting and not too complicated.
Has anybody tried replicating this?
@Fusionchip Hi AL.Any news on your light multiplier or have you put it on hold as i see you have got your hands full with your new joulethief.I was thinking about your coil and it may not be a dead loss.If you can identify which coil will trigger your transistor.You may be able to add a coil on a seperate spool and splice it to the other winding and place it on the other side of the magnet,180 degrees to the original coil and see if anything happens.Just thinking.
Your new joulethief looks great and voltage going up is always a good sign.I can't say it happens to me much but i can live and hope
I popped over to OU and i see you are giving one to groundloop to check out.This is a very good idea and i would send two as he may be able to spot the slight difference which makes one charge the battery and the other identical one not.Nice to here from you and you are welcome anytime.regards jonny.

[theremart]

2 inch neo sphere WOW

YouTube - Two Inch Sphere Magnet Spinning a variety of materials

and I thought I was bold..

[retrod]

YouTube - Two Inch Sphere Magnet Spinning a variety of materials

and I thought I was bold..

Lol, you beat me to posting my video here . Just a little warning, please be careful if any of you try this. You can just imagine what would happen if that 2 inch magnet decided to take off And I'm not having a stroke, I was very tired, been shoveling snow for tow or three days straight. My next tests should be interesting as I have seen over 300 volts AC available in the harvest coils.

Dave

[jonnydavro]

@Retrod1.Hi Dave. What a great idea and video.I think you have moved this up a level with the use of such a large sphere.It looks that the extra mass is actually making the sphere more stable.It is also interesting to see the variety of different matirials a strong magnet will effect.
This may make a great generator as you show a really strong magnetic field and i am sure you are the one to put it to good use.I bet this would spin satellites from miles away and your input power is nice and low so lots of possibilties with this Dave.Nice work and thanks for sharing it with us.Regards jonny

[fusionchip]

retrods video

@RETROD That is AWSOME . How in the world can non magnetic metals interact with a magnetic field ? I know this is 8th grade science as we used to make electromagnets and stuff push al rings on a rod with a coil but Dang. This Give me the idea that the magnetic field is almost like a soilid and has mass . Incredible and thank you for the insiration . I can imagin a force field vest to deflect lead . have you tried lead ? How about dirt ? UFO drive workings ?
Jonny and Lidmotor . Yea i put Lids light amp on hold as Christmas wipe me out and i have another MAJOR project . I posted it here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post78878

Starting with a video on post 22

It My AA powered heater/cooler / light that selfruns
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