Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[vrand]

Hi Mike!

MAGNET CORE (WELDING ROD)
Purpose
To provide a low reluctance path that increases the magnetic flux through the coil.
Specifications
Low reluctance, high permeability magnetic material: Welding rod; 0.042" inch diameter copper coated steel

regards

zilano zeis zane!

Thanks Zilano

What LCR meter do you use and recommend?

Cheers Mike

[dragon]

THE DON SMITH PDF DESCRIBES A DEVICE OF 28.8 KW

W=0.5 X C X (Vsqrd)
=0.5 x 4 x 120 x 120
=28800 joules
=28800 watt sec
=28.8 KW sec

also don says the transformer is rated for 60 amps and 480 volts
that is 60 x 480 = 28800 watts
=28.8 Kw


the method is

desired potential in volts/capacitor in farad= frequency desired
if we desire 480 volts

frequency desired=480/4= 120 cps(60 up n 60 down)
now go to nomograph and select 120 hz and select 4 farad and select the resistance R required across the cap

now measure L of transformer and select 120 hz and select R corresponding to L and Frequency ie 120hz(60 up n 60 down) and attach R across input of transformer

since F1=RXC AND F2=L/R WHERE F1 AND F2 IS FREQUENCY(50HZ OR 60HZ)
SO F1=F2

SO C=L/R(SQRD)

AND L=R(SQRD)XC

Regards

zilano zeis zane!

Zilano, Your calculation of the energy in the cap is slightly off... it should be;

.5 x ( 4/1000000) x 120^2 = .0288 Js

At 60 hz it would be pumping .0288 x 120 or 3.45 Js assuming your filling and discharging the cap every half wave.

Unless your assuming a 4 farad ( instead of a 4uf ) capacitor that can handle that kind of voltage - maybe an extremely huge stack of series and parallel caps.

I don't think Don ever showed the actual "output" circuit for his device although I've seen renditions for various ideas drawn by Kelly in his pdf's .

[spark2]

Frequency

Hi
i am new bee too in this great forum,
seem the right forum for my question.
would have a question, maybe for Zilano or someone who can answer me.
Talking about frequency of L1 in Don device.
The nst frequency is 35.1 khz and it seem that L1 is about 4.3 turns
So the lenght of L1 is 2XPIx4.3= 27.017 inches /12 = 2.2514 feet
To find frequency; 247/2.2514 = 556 MHZ or 494/2.2514= 219.4 MHZ
So could we say the operating Freqency of Don device is 219.4 mhz ??

Have a nice day

[spark2]

reply

Hi Zilano

thanks for your fast reply.

i had thought the construction of L1 is base on rf half wave so i divide by 494

Another question please for you.

How Don decide the lenght of L1 coil ??

have a nice day

Free energy for free people

[vrand]

Hi Zilano

So the above design is for the R1 circuit to convert the secondary to 60hz output?

And the below circuit is for inverter output?
The below circuit only has 1 capacitor between the NST and the primary, while the above circuit it has 2 capacitors. Is that correct?




Cheers Mike

Hi Zilano

On the above circuit you show a diode D1 from the flyback secondary before the spark gap.

The below circuits does not show the D1 diode from the flyback.





Is the D1 diode necessary from the flyback secondary output?

Cheers Mike

[vrand]

yes mike! its necessary to pulse the transformer.

regards
zzz

Thanks Zilano

For my 4kv 30ma flyback transformer output, will a 12kv 350ma microwave diode work okay?

Cheers Mike

[spark2]

Hi Zilano

so as per your your reply

For a quarter wavelenght, lamda /4 in foot =
983619054/4 = 245904763
245904763/30000= 8196.8 feet would be a very long coil !

the L1 of don is only 2.25 feet long ????

And for 2.25 feet long we are in the 220 mhz band

pls explain

thanks

[LtBolo]

Zilano's L1 is 80 turns of 2". His L2 is 5 cw + 5ccw turns of 3". He is tuning with caps, rather than depending on natural coil resonance. This has been covered elsewhere in the thread.

[boguslaw]

I think zilano is right but computation is not good.IMHO my thoughts.
The idea is perfectly clear : resonance at higher voltage which makes two things possible :
1. amplification of current
2. resonance is independent of load attached = no lenz law

The second one is the key for all OU of this kind. How is that possible ? I think by "splitting current" like Don Smith also said, into magnetic part and electrostatic part or whatever I still do not understand, maybe just slow fat electrons (amperage) and fast light electrons.

Russian have replicated Don Smith method too, and they given a bit different tutorial.

[LtBolo]

I still haven't convinced myself of where the gain comes from, although I think I no longer care...just so that it gains.

The simple magic of the 'reverse Tesla' is that you are using the electric field of the primary to produce displacement current in the secondary, and by nature of the very low number of turns (with or without the bifilar) you have essentially removed the magnetic interaction. In creating pure current by pushing the electrons directly, rather than generating a current by pushing an electric field down the wire, it successfully flips the quadrants...voltage and current were out of phase in the primary, but are now in phase in the secondary.

If that really allows us to take apparent power and convert to real power, that is a pretty big revelation. If it is simply an electrically driven step down transformer, it is interesting, but is largely just an implementation detail...and the real magic remains a secret locked the spark + resonance. Gut tells me that the spark + resonance is interacting with the quantum source and dragging some extra energy in, and the reverse Tesla is simply a handy way of impedance matching that to a useful level.

As much as I like the theory part, I personally would be very cautious about believing anybody's explanation...Don Smith's included...because I'm not sure that any of us really knows. I think the best answer is to run with a design proven to work, and leave the theoretical physics to the academicians who will eventually jump on this when it is clear that it works.

[MonsieurM]

I think zilano is right but computation is not good.IMHO my thoughts.
The idea is perfectly clear : resonance at higher voltage which makes two things possible :
1. amplification of current
2. resonance is independent of load attached = no lenz law

The second one is the key for all OU of this kind. How is that possible ? I think by "splitting current" like Don Smith also said, into magnetic part and electrostatic part or whatever I still do not understand, maybe just slow fat electrons (amperage) and fast light electrons.

Russian have replicated Don Smith method too, and they given a bit different tutorial.

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[Parav]

Potential Transformer Question

Hi Zilano

You have been giving us valuable sources of information on this and I am truly greatful for your help.

My quick question is, Can I use a micro wave oven transformer as a "potential transformer" so I can measure the voltage coming off this home made neon transformer I'm making?? If so, when I hook up the 0 to 120 volt meter to it.-- What voltage reading should I see?-- I think most MOTs are rated @ 3 to 5 kv -- I'm thinking then that if the MOT is rated @ 5kv and I see 120 volts on the meter then the neon transformer is putting out 5kv. If I'm barking up the wrong tree on this please let me know. I thank you again for your kind help and patience.--Paul

[Farmhand]

I think zilano is right but computation is not good.IMHO my thoughts.
The idea is perfectly clear : resonance at higher voltage which makes two things possible :
1. amplification of current
2. resonance is independent of load attached = no lenz law

The second one is the key for all OU of this kind. How is that possible ? I think by "splitting current" like Don Smith also said, into magnetic part and electrostatic part or whatever I still do not understand, maybe just slow fat electrons (amperage) and fast light electrons.

Russian have replicated Don Smith method too, and they given a bit different tutorial.

I think I agree with you Boguslaw, I think the spark gap the L1 and L2 are needed to get a High Frequency, High Potential resonance, the step up is needed in my opinion to get the "magic" happening at high potential, the higher the potential the better the effect maybe, Tesla liked his potential as high as he could get away with.

And separate the load from resonance or acheive "resonance under load".
I think the key is the electrical energy that is input is converted to Raw energy or "Massless Energy" then back again and into the load continuously.


I think Don hint's we should use as high a voltage as we can deal with or are comfortable with or can afford the componants for. The later being my catagory.
Awesome to see all the interest and experiment in this stuff.



P.S. Remember Potential = Pressure. and Pressure causes Current.
Use small Current to make big Pressure then use the big Pressure to make big Current. Sounds easy. Isn't that what Nikola said to do ?

[nueview]

this is just a query but has anyone put the spark gap at the center of the coil arangement ?

sparks effect field parameters in local space so i was wondering if the acr within the canter of the coils would alter the output to any noticable degree.

i was thinking about this after watching a you tube were the spark gap was at the bottom of the coil arangement and it was performing quite well.
Martin

[Farmhand]

Oh yeah, I noticed this diagram in the PDF i'll link. It shows why 1/4 L resonance, at 1/4 the highest potential is at one end and the lowest the other. The center tap taps it in the middle.



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This is where I got the diagram from. Page 5 figure 2-B.

http://lloydritchey.com/downloads/Table%20Top%20Tesla%20Coil.pdf

If you were to draw a line through the 1/4 L voltage graph from the diagram above it would almost match the true form of a wave of energy depicted here below.


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Makes sense to me.

Cheers