"RICK'S PIPE DREAM" Magnetic Motor-Generator

[gene gene]

Hi Rick,

Good job on videos 18 & 19. I'm glad that you will be wasting no more of your valuable time with the narrow minded critics on utube. If they have a problem with your build, why don't they just build it themselves and show us what is wrong with it? You have shown them exactly how to do it.

I do not understand what the big deal is with Mr hand. Even if were necessary to give a PMM generator a little push to start rotation (which I do not believe is true), I would gladly do this if then I could flip on the lights, walk outside and find the electric meter standing still. Heck I would wrap a starter rope around it and give it a good pull if need be. I do that now every time I mow the lawn, burning gas and stinking up the world.

Keep up the good work.

Best regards, Gene

[Shamus]

Hi Rick,

Yes, mine is the coffee table build. I think if I'm going to be successful, I'm going to need a bit more weight on my rotor, as it doesn't have enough momentum. Also, I've tried moving my mostat to a neutral position in the middle of a magnet group as you suggested, but I'm finding it difficult--most likely because the geometry of my build is too small to be controlled in such a manner by hand (it could also be that the size of the magnets on my mostat in comparison to the rotor magnets is too big, and the curvature of the rotor is too big as well).

I'm still trying to think of a good way to do the switching of the mostat which will fit on my small wheel and not take too much work to move it. Will post a picture later.

[rickoff]

Reply to Hoppy:

I am finding it difficult to see how the repelling force can add energy to accelerate the rotor when the energy for motion of the stator is taken from the rotor. I can see that there is an attractive force between the approaching rotor and stator magnets but I see the effect of this on the rotor being cancelled by the loss of kinetic energy in the rotor as a result of repulsion and other frictional losses in the system. I'm probably missing something here, so I would appreciate your corrective comments.

Regards
Hoppy

Hi Hoppy,

That is a somewhat valid observation. Surely the force required to move the stator (which is almost negligible) will be using at least a portion of the repulsive accelerative force developed, and perhaps even all of it depending on the movement method employed. But remember, that still leaves us the attraction acceleration force to spin the rotor. There is only one movement required for every two accelerative forces encountered. Plus, we are not actually relying entirely or directly on the accelerations to provide the energy for movement of the stator. That would be the case with a smaller, lightweight rotor with poor flywheel effect, but not in this setup. That's precisely why I chose a large and somewhat hefty bike wheel, and added the birch flywheel ring. The steel bike rim has at least 90% of its weight directly at the rim, so already has very good flywheel effect. More than doubling that heft with the birch flywheel ring, or by adding steel weights to the rim, greatly increases the rotational inertia of the assembly, and I believe that is what makes a self runner a very likely possibility. Even at a slow rotation speed of just 5 to 10 rpm, the stored inertial momentum is enough to move the stator, and the available force only increases at higher rotational speeds. If you build this you will see exactly what I am stating. Otherwise, I'm sure that it is somewhat difficult to perceive.

Best wishes,

Rick

[rickoff]

Reply to Shamus:

Hi Rick,

Yes, mine is the coffee table build. I think if I'm going to be successful, I'm going to need a bit more weight on my rotor, as it doesn't have enough momentum. Also, I've tried moving my mostat to a neutral position in the middle of a magnet group as you suggested, but I'm finding it difficult--most likely because the geometry of my build is too small to be controlled in such a manner by hand (it could also be that the size of the magnets on my mostat in comparison to the rotor magnets is too big, and the curvature of the rotor is too big as well).

I'm still trying to think of a good way to do the switching of the mostat which will fit on my small wheel and not take too much work to move it. Will post a picture later.

What size and type rotor and stator magnets are you actually using for the 6" build, and exactly what is the rotor? Are your rotor magnets set up N-S-N-S, and how many magnets in each group?

Rick

[Inquorate]

Hi guys, just a thought to share

I've been playing with shielded magnets (layers of building flashing metal sheeting and mouse mat cut-outs as spacing, surrounding one pole and one side of neo magnets) and have found that it does suppress or squash in the magnetic field.

But there is a tiny sticky point still there at the corner of the flashing. It is less powerful than the repulsive force of two like poles after moving past the flashing though.

When I drew this pic of shielded magnet motor design

Magnet+motor+idea.jpg (image)

I didn't intentionally offset the two stator magnets (and have no idea why I drew in springs) BUT the important realisation I made is that while one stator is sticking, the other one will be pushing harder than that.

I haven't read this thread completely, but have noticed you appear to have only the one stator magnet.

Love and light

[rickoff]

Reply to Inquorate:

I've been playing with shielded magnets (layers of building flashing metal sheeting and mouse mat cut-outs as spacing, surrounding one pole and one side of neo magnets) and have found that it does suppress or squash in the magnetic field.

But there is a tiny sticky point still there at the corner of the flashing. It is less powerful than the repulsive force of two like poles after moving past the flashing though.

When I drew this pic of shielded magnet motor design

Magnet+motor+idea.jpg (image)

I didn't intentionally offset the two stator magnets (and have no idea why I drew in springs) BUT the important realisation I made is that while one stator is sticking, the other one will be pushing harder than that.

I haven't read this thread completely, but have noticed you appear to have only the one stator magnet.

Love and light

Hi Inquorate,

I opened the attachment, but couldn't quite figure what I was looking at because it was very blurry and out of focus. Anyways, in this moving stator design, magnetic shielding is not needed, and in fact is undesirable. As the stator moves, it avoids undesirable sticky points by turning them into advantageous repel points at the tail end of each rotor magnet group. At the lead end of each group, attraction draws the group in and accelerates it beyond the tail end. To use any amount of shielding, therefore, would only weaken these desirable effects.

Yes, I'm currently only using the one stator magnet because attempting to move two or more would be extremely difficult to coordinate by the hand movement method. Once the tracking and timing mechanisms are completed and fine tuned, I will be trying out added stators. If the timing is perfect for a single stator then any number of additional stators, within reason of course, can be easily added, since at any position around the track the timing will be perfect for that location.

Best regards to you,

Rick

[rickoff]

Just a quick note

Hi folks,

Just thought I'd offer a quick explanation about something. Many people have been sending me invites to become YouTube "friends," and I have noticed that several have been people who I recognize as being from Energetic Forum. I haven't accepted any such offers, and I know that probably makes me look unappreciative of the offers. Actually, I do have a good reason for this and felt I should explain. I have seen other YouTube channels where "friends" are listed in plain view, and this worries me. If I do reach a point where I am successful in this endeavor, and I do hope to achieve that, it is likely that some strong arm tactics will be utilized in an attempt to silence me. If that happens, then I forsee that any people listed as YouTube "friends" will also be likely targets for harassment, and I don't want to see that happen. If you definitely aren't worried, and feel you could handle that, then its okay to send me a fresh invite and I will accept it this time. Just be sure to consider the possible unpleasantries you may face later, before doing so.

Thanks to all for your kindness and continued support.

Best to all,

Rick

[Inquorate]

Hi Inquorate,

I opened the attachment, but couldn't quite figure what I was looking at because it was very blurry and out of focus. Anyways, in this moving stator design, magnetic shielding is not needed, and in fact is undesirable. As the stator moves, it avoids undesirable sticky points by turning them into advantageous repel points at the tail end of each rotor magnet group. At the lead end of each group, attraction draws the group in and accelerates it beyond the tail end. To use any amount of shielding, therefore, would only weaken these desirable effects.

Yes, I'm currently only using the one stator magnet because attempting to move two or more would be extremely difficult to coordinate by the hand movement method. Once the tracking and timing mechanisms are completed and fine tuned, I will be trying out added stators. If the timing is perfect for a single stator then any number of additional stators, within reason of course, can be easily added, since at any position around the track the timing will be perfect for that location.

Best regards to you,

Rick

try zooming out; on explorer press <Cntrl>+<->

tnx for your reply :-)

[rickoff]

Reply to Inquorate:

try zooming out; on explorer press <Cntrl>+<->

tnx for your reply :-)

Yes, that's a little better. Now I see what you were talking about, and you are right about the 2nd stator advantage when being set up at a different timing moment than the 1st. That's something we discussed here recently when reviewing the possible advantage of multiple stators. It stands to reason that an additional attraction and/or repulsion force, if made available at the moment the stator must be moved to switch poles, may very well enhance operation. In turn, when that helping stator is positioned where it needs to be moved, the other stator or stators will be giving the desired boost. So even though we don't need the shielding with the moving stator method, we are still talking the same language.

Thanks for your input,

Rick

[Hoppy]

Hi Hoppy,

That is a somewhat valid observation. Surely the force required to move the stator (which is almost negligible) will be using at least a portion of the repulsive accelerative force developed, and perhaps even all of it depending on the movement method employed. But remember, that still leaves us the attraction acceleration force to spin the rotor. There is only one movement required for every two accelerative forces encountered. Plus, we are not actually relying entirely or directly on the accelerations to provide the energy for movement of the stator. That would be the case with a smaller, lightweight rotor with poor flywheel effect, but not in this setup. That's precisely why I chose a large and somewhat hefty bike wheel, and added the birch flywheel ring. The steel bike rim has at least 90% of its weight directly at the rim, so already has very good flywheel effect. More than doubling that heft with the birch flywheel ring, or by adding steel weights to the rim, greatly increases the rotational inertia of the assembly, and I believe that is what makes a self runner a very likely possibility. Even at a slow rotation speed of just 5 to 10 rpm, the stored inertial momentum is enough to move the stator, and the available force only increases at higher rotational speeds. If you build this you will see exactly what I am stating. Otherwise, I'm sure that it is somewhat difficult to perceive.

Best wishes,

Rick

Rick

Thanks for your reply. I am talking from a theoretical standpoint, so it will be interesting to see how this pans out with your build. I have too many projects on the go at the moment to build your design but will follow your progress with much interest.

I wish you every success.

Regards
Hoppy

[Shamus]

What size and type rotor and stator magnets are you actually using for the 6" build, and exactly what is the rotor? Are your rotor magnets set up N-S-N-S, and how many magnets in each group?

The rotor is a piece of 1/2" OSB, and the magnets are small 3/8" x 3/8" x 7/8" bar magnets that are commonly available. I have two groups of eight magnets each set up in an N-S configuration (IOW, half the wheel are south facing up, the other half north). It seems clear that I'm definitely going to need some more weight on this wheel, and I'll post a picture soon.

[rickoff]

Shamus, these are neodymiums? At 3/8" thickness they are half again as powerful as my 1/8" rotor magnets, which are double-stacked. A much smaller rotor magnet size could be employed if you simply scale down my build from 3.77:1 ratio (22.625" diameter wheel:6" diameter wheel). In other words, just multiply my magnet dimensions of 3/4L x 3/8W x 1/4T (.75 x .375 x .25) by 1/3.77 (or 0.265"). That ratio would require magnets sized at only roughly 0.200" x 0.100" x 0.066". That would work out most closely to a 1/4L x 1/8W x 1/16T magnet. One problem in a small build is that the magnet groups are much closer together and will interact with each other. With the large scale magnets you are using, that interaction will be powerful, and likely also undesirable. In video #7 ( YouTube - Video #7, "Rick's Pipe Dream" Magnetic Motor - Generator ) I demonstrated just how powerful those interactions can be (start at about 7:00 elapsed time). You will see how a rotor magnet, suspended from a thread, dances wildly about even at a distance of 9 to 10 inches from the other rotor magnets. Your interactions will be even stronger with the increased thickness. Of course you can still make it work, but probably not as well as you had hoped to. Another factor is the OSB. Did you cut out and place steel magnet mounting strips on the OSB, or are the magnets simply glued down? I think you will find that the steel strips will provide an improvement, and definitely makes the group arrangements and rearrangements so much easier.

Best 2 U,

Rick

[rickoff]

Update

Still working on assembly of my tracking/timing and stator mechanisms.

I now have a Pipe Dream website established. I thought it would be a good idea to do this so that quick links could be provided for people to find all relevant information easily. All links are currently active, with the exception that the Panacea University link does not yet have information posted concerning the Pipe Dream project. Ash will be adding that in the next few days. So if you bookmark the website address, this will provide the easiest means of finding everything that you may be looking for. I placed this at a free hosting site, and it's great - zero pop-up ads!

Here's the link:

Pipe Dream Home

Best regards,

Rick

[brenie]

Rick, great-stuff. Just caught up with your 'pipedream' a couple of days ago. just about up to date with your postings now. Fascinating.
You have got my full attention.

Best regards, Bren.

[rickoff]

Reply to Stealth:

Good to see you are still working on your magnetic motor project. I haven't posted in a while, but have been keeping up with your progress. It looks good so far. I did put your website in my favorites to better access your motor updates. When you get it selfrunning, I am afraid you may get some unwanted attention, but we all are in that boat to some degree. Good Luck. Stealth

Hi Stealth,

Yes, you might say that all of us here are "in the same boat," so to speak, and are easy targets for suppression and harrassment. I won't be getting paranoid about it, though. My reasoning is that by making everything widely available publicly, from the very beginning of the project, it will be extremely difficult for suppressionist tactics to succeed. They can threaten or harrass me all they want, but if all the information has already been made available to everyone who wants it then there is nothing they can do to stop the project from moving forward.

Best regards to you,

Rick