The Great Global Warming Swindle

[ashtweth]

Guys, its cooler then ever here even for the Aussie sun,just had to say that we are in Queensland where usually its as hot as a rattles snakes butt.

Ash

[Joit]

It is cold here by me also and we got a lot of Snow the last Week,
but need to wait 2 Weeks or 3, because it is not unusual,
that there are cold Weeks with Snow.

[Farmhand]

Well it's finally starting to warm up here in Central Queensland 33 degrees celcius today, 35 tomorrow. It should have been this warm september october but it has been either raining or very cloudy/overcast pretty much since october. Usually it would be a fair bit hotter now 38 or so it feels hot but usually I would be already aclimatised and 35 probably feels like 38 would normally. hope that makes sense.

Usually in my part of Australia there are a lot of afternoon storms with lots of lightning by now but none of that yet. I'm ready for it. Camera and video batteries are charged.

Anyway it's warming up a bit. sorta. And the grass is really growing now, I need more stock. The two heifer's in the freezer don't eat much any more.

Cheers

[ashtweth]

HI Joit/Farmhand /ALL

We have had 3 weeks of Rain

[RedRightHand]

For the fact that the Earth has been cooling for the last 10-15 years shouldn't be a surprise.

This is a surprise to me! I haven't seen any reports that the world is getting cooler in the last 10-15 years. I have only seen reports that the USA has plateaued for the past 10 years. (not cooler or warmer) All the reports and data I have seen for the WORLD say definite warming trend for the last 10-15 years.

The current has been slowing for a little over 10 years all by itself without BP.

This is because of increased amounts of fresh water entering the Atlantic as Greenland and the Arctic melts. Basically the ice at our poles is melting - this water is disrupting normal ocean currents.


Cooling isn't entirely caused only by that current I doubt but just another natural thing that has nothing to do with co2 or anything manmade.

BP spill may have sped it up but again, yes was already happening all on
its own.

I don't understand the logic here. Humans cannot directly effect the weather, all they can do is interact with natures own cycles and systems. When they produce enough of a disturbance then they can effect the systems or cycle; which in turns directs the weather.

I look at it like this: The Atlantic Current is one of natures way of regulating temperature of the earth. While this current is running we enjoy the world we know today, if the planet gets to hot, the current stops - causing an ice age cycle (snowball earth). If we didn't have this cycle then the world could keep getting warmer and turn into a planet like Venus.
Lets just all hope this current fires back up next year, otherwise, last time this current stopped - there was 2km of ICE over New York!

Red

[Karl]

Want a laugh Ladies & Gents, Found this from 2000.

The Independent/Environment

Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

The chances are certainly now stacked against the sortof heavy snowfall in cities that inspired Impressionist painters, such as Sisley, and the 19th century poet laureate Robert Bridges, who wrote in "London Snow" of it, "stealthily and perpetually settling and loosely lying".
Not any more, it seems.

Is it getting through yet? The alarmists ether have no idea what they are talking about or are blatant liars

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

[Aaron]

it has been cooler than it was, that isn't a plateau

[quote=RedRightHand;122057] Originally Posted by Aaron
For the fact that the Earth has been cooling for the last 10-15 years shouldn't be a surprise.

This is a surprise to me! I haven't seen any reports that the world is getting cooler in the last 10-15 years. I have only seen reports that the USA has plateaued for the past 10 years. (not cooler or warmer) All the reports and data I have seen for the WORLD say definite warming trend for the last 10-15 years.

The current has been slowing for a little over 10 years all by itself without BP.

This is because of increased amounts of fresh water entering the Atlantic as Greenland and the Arctic melts. Basically the ice at our poles is melting - this water is disrupting normal ocean currents.


Cooling isn't entirely caused only by that current I doubt but just another natural thing that has nothing to do with co2 or anything manmade.

BP spill may have sped it up but again, yes was already happening all on
its own.
/quote]

USA plateaued? If 1998 or so was the warmest and every year thereafter
was cooler, that is NOT a plateau, at face value - all years after 1998
are COOLER. That is a temperature DROP below the highest temps of
1998.

If we were at a plateau - that implies that in 1998 or so, the temp gets
to x F and then STAYS that way, NOT dropping down below that.

USA being the highest producer of co2 (probably until China and India
passes us) - it is like ventriloquist global warming where co2 is emitted
here but has effects thousands of miles away from the US? I know it
isn't quantum entanglement! lol That is like having co2 here that has
some contract with nature that it won't have any effect until it escapes
the borders.

And it isn't just the US, Europe has been getting colder winters and this
was before the BP oil spill.

And you are still basing your analysis on the assumption that the data
that you just happen to read is accurate. That doesn't mean it actually
is.

[Farmhand]

Want a laugh Ladies & Gents, Found this from 2000.

The chances are certainly now stacked against the sortof heavy snowfall in cities that inspired Impressionist painters, such as Sisley, and the 19th century poet laureate Robert Bridges, who wrote in "London Snow" of it, "stealthily and perpetually settling and loosely lying".
Not any more, it seems.


Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

Good find Karl, That whole thing looks like it's worthy of the opening sermon for the Church of Climatology. But I like the last bit you quoted above.

[Karl]

Good find Karl, That whole thing looks like it's worthy of the opening sermon for the Church of Climatology. But I like the last bit you quoted above.

Ha, well spotted Farmhand I didn't even pick up on that

"Church of Climatology"
I think that is exactly what it was/is

[Peter Lindemann]

Current conditions in the UK and Europe

Hi Folks,

Well, just three weeks after "predicting" that 2010 was "on track" to be the third warmest year after 1998, the UK and the rest of Europe are buried in a winter blast with unseasonably low temperatures and lots of snow.

The peddlers of "global warming" never miss an opportunity to "predict" their agenda, regardless of the obvious facts all around them. Its no wonder that 90% of the people in that article who "had their say" about the Climate Summit all thought "global warming" was a hoax. They are shoveling out from this!

BBC News - Heavy snow and ice bring travel chaos across UK

Peter

[byjoveoldchap]

... all controlled by the Sun

The current has been slowing for a little over 10 years all by itself without BP.

This is because of increased amounts of fresh water entering the Atlantic as Greenland and the Arctic melts. Basically the ice at our poles is melting - this water is disrupting normal ocean currents.

And it isn't just the US, Europe has been getting colder winters and this
was before the BP oil spill.

And you are still basing your analysis on the assumption that the data
that you just happen to read is accurate. That doesn't mean it actually
is.

Hello Aaron, Peter and friends.
I came across this thread purely by accident, but after a brief read, I felt that I had to offer some further thoughts for your consideration.

Aaron said, The current has been slowing for a little over 10 years all by itself without BP. This is because of increased amounts of fresh water entering the Atlantic as Greenland and the Arctic melts. Basically the ice at our poles is melting - this water is disrupting normal ocean currents.

Aaron, please realise that i offer these remarks only to increase your awareness and knowledge, not to claim that you are wrong in your assumptions.

Firstly, would you believe that the North polar cap is melting and the South is actually expanding? - Antarctic ice is growing, Not melting away.

Now, It appears to be true, that "Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water." So, if that is true, then only 10 per cent of the ice caps are actually melting and therefore much less fresh water from ice melting is actually reaching the sea.

We are told and I would accept, that the Gulf Stream is a major factor in providing the UK and parts of Europe with a mild winter climate. So, if only approx 10% of the total ice caps are actually melting, there would seem to be no justification that this fresh water input could affect the Gulf Stream in any significant way to contribute to climate change.

Personally, I think global warming is a complete scam. I live in England and I want to know why we are experiencing such severe, bitter cold spells now!

From the little research I have done, many countries are experiencing record cold spells or excessive snowfalls. Somehow, global warming doesn't seem to be working here...

If you also believe that global warming caused by CO2 is a scam, the questions we should be asking is what is happening that is affecting our Earth, every planet in our solar system and in particular, our Sun?

the following may be helpful for those wishing to consider different viewpoints:
Gulf Current Stopped. Europe To Endure Winter Exodus
The 12th Planet
Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision
Global Eruption Rocks the Sun

I hope I have encouraged others to think differently and seek the truth for themselves.

PS - if you have a copy of Energy From The Vacuum Ch 17, listen carefully to what John has to say...
"... warming the earth? Poppycock!" ... "...these cycles have been going on for thousands of years... all controlled by the Sun out there... its all about magnetic fields and what the magnetic fields do... on one side you see the ice caps melting, on the other side you see the ice caps growing!".


By Jove! I think he's got it.
.


~~~

[Aaron]

magnetic field

Aaron said, The current has been slowing for a little over 10 years all by itself without BP. This is because of increased amounts of fresh water entering the Atlantic as Greenland and the Arctic melts. Basically the ice at our poles is melting - this water is disrupting normal ocean currents.

Actually, I didn't say that. I only said:

"The current has been slowing for a little over 10 years all by itself without BP."

Redrighthand inserted his comments into my quote - HE is the one that
said: "This is because of increased amounts of fresh water entering the Atlantic as Greenland and the Arctic melts. Basically the ice at our poles is melting - this water is disrupting normal ocean currents."

That wasn't me.

His opinion is a pretty common explanation and I don't know if I agree
with it or not but I think it is flawed partially in the time frame, which if
that is why the current was slowing down on its own, that would show
that "global warming" has only been happening for the past 10 years maybe.

I think the magnetic field weakening letting more solar radiation in is
the cause of any kind of warming trends more than anything else.

I'm familiar with the Velikovsky idea and I also have a copy of the
Kolbrin Bible.

[byjoveoldchap]

My apologies Aaron, but that was not made clear in your post.

My research showed evidence that the Gulf Stream had reduced by approx 50%, around 6 years ago, the real question is why has it stopped now?

I see you make no mention of Zecharia Sitchins work Aaron?

"...these cycles have been going on for thousands of years"

[Farmhand]

Hi Aaron and all,

[/INDENT]Actually, I didn't say that. I only said:

"The current has been slowing for a little over 10 years all by itself without BP."

Redrighthand inserted his comments into my quote - HE is the one that
said: "This is because of increased amounts of fresh water entering the Atlantic as Greenland and the Arctic melts. Basically the ice at our poles is melting - this water is disrupting normal ocean currents."

That wasn't me.

His opinion is a pretty common explanation and I don't know if I agree
with it or not but I think it is flawed partially in the time frame, which if
that is why the current was slowing down on its own, that would show
that "global warming" has only been happening for the past 10 years maybe.

I think the magnetic field weakening letting more solar radiation in is
the cause of any kind of warming trends more than anything else.

I'm familiar with the Velikovsky idea and I also have a copy of the
Kolbrin Bible.

byjoveoldchap said,

My apologies Aaron, but that was not made clear in your post.

This is a concern, I noticed there were cases of people quoting others, then inserting thier own words into the quotes.

I was confused by it for a bit myself. In my opinion it should not be allowed. It's ok to highlight underline or use bold to show the parts of a quote we are talking about, but inserting words into a quote should not be allowed.

If I were you Aaron I would do something about that or there will be more confusion. But of course i'm not you, so I respect your views and opinion or actions on this. Whatever they be.

I would like to say though I would appreciate if somebody wants to quote me, just quote me and don't add anything into the quote.

Best Regards

P.S.

As you can see back in post #761 I picked out one of the three things inserted into a quote attributed to Karl by Red, then quoted that in the next post #762 attributing it to Red to see what happened. I don't see how this is not a problem, i'm not saying it's deliberate just very confusing.

[Aaron]

Sitchin

My apologies Aaron, but that was not made clear in your post.

My research showed evidence that the Gulf Stream had reduced by approx 50%, around 6 years ago, the real question is why has it stopped now?

I see you make no mention of Zecharia Sitchins work Aaron?

"...these cycles have been going on for thousands of years"

No prob - Redrighthand made his comments inside my quote in blue to
make it stand out I think - it can be confusing and I'd prefer people just
comment outside of the quotes myself.

Not sure why it did stop but would be interesting if the oil spill actually
did have something to do with it. And if so, was it calculated ahead of
time or just happens to either coincide with it or caused it without their
calculation.

I studied some of Sitchin's work and I think a lot of his info is a stretch
but I think there is a lot of credit to it with archaeological evidence to
back it. And by the way, I knew a German woman that was a customer
at my health food store when I used to have it (she died several years
back) - she was in Germany during the war and witnessed many things
including being detained on a hillside by a group of guards in interesting
uniforms and they identified themselves as the Igigi. The leader of the
group was the only one that could speak German to her. Anyway, there
is another place that exists whether or not it actually will come close by
or not. That is for another discussion and I'm serious about the Igigi.

Anyway, James McCanney has an interesting model about the solar
capacitor system and some of his model may explain some of the weather
phenomena by remote sun and planetary actions.