Renewable Energy-Magnetic Power-Amplified Electricity

[Jetijs]

What is your opinion about this machine?
YouTube - Renewable Energy-Magnetic Power-Amplified Electricity
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Here is a quote about how this motor works:
Looks very similar to a Bedini motor. I guess they use a bifilar winding on each coil, one for the DC pulse and other to capture the resulting AC impulses, but there must be something else in their circuit.

Here is their web site:
Lutec Australia Pty Ltd - Welcome!

Edit: here's a PDF that also describes the operation principles of this device.

http://www.lutec.com.au/other/lutec0711.pdf

Looks more and more like Bedini motor. Also there is said, that the input and output sections of the circuit are isolated and I see a big capacitor in some of the pictures in their site. Looks like a variation of a Bedini Cap pulser.

[elias]

Hi Jetijs,

It must be made clear what is meant by "The Third Event is the result of the impact of the Second on the First". What is the Third Event's result? Maybe less drag on the rotor.

Everybody knows that an AC generator will drag if you draw current from it (Lenz Law). If it works they must have done something which decreases the drag on the rotor and enables it operating with less input. The explanation on how it works is so vague and this make me remain skeptic on this device.

Haven't you seen: Directory:Lutec - PESWiki

They have refused to use super capacitors instead of the battery, so if it generates more energy, the secret lies in the battery like Bedini's machines. Maybe they are capturing Radiant energy like Bedini and have two super conditioned batteries in it which charge really good with Radiant spikes and they swap them constantly (One for charging and one for output power).

Peter may have experience with this device. Maybe he'll help us understand more about this device.

Regards
Elias

[Jetijs]

My experience shows that it is possible to get the energy out from a coil and not create any drag on the rotor. I tested this when I was working on the self runner setup. The recovery coil was about 3000 turns (I think) of gauge 21 wire. It had a certain capacitance, so when those magnets from SSG rotor passed by, it charged the coil. The secret is to pulse-discharge the coil at exact right moment, this way you can get up to 2000V AC or DC of the recovery coil and pulse it directly into the capacitor or battery without any drag. Maybe they used a similar approach. Also When I put a capacitor parallel to the recovery coil, a noticeable drag appeared. Maybe that is why they switched form capacitors to the batteries?
I also would like to hear what Peter has to say about this

[gmeat]

Why not a Bedini/Muller setup?

Hi Guy's,


How come nobody has tried a Bedini/Muller type setup .It seems to me it would be an interesting setup.Or maybe even a Lindermann/Muller setup .I know Peter has spoken highly of Bill in The World of Free Energy presentation.Just a thought .

MULLERPOWER.com ... advancing the legacy of Bill Muller's work in Motor/Generators...

-Gmeat

[elias]

My experience shows that it is possible to get the energy out from a coil and not create any drag on the rotor. I tested this when I was working on the self runner setup. The recovery coil was about 3000 turns (I think) of gauge 21 wire. It had a certain capacitance, so when those magnets from SSG rotor passed by, it charged the coil. The secret is to pulse-discharge the coil at exact right moment, this way you can get up to 2000V AC or DC of the recovery coil and pulse it directly into the capacitor or battery without any drag. Maybe they used a similar approach. Also When I put a capacitor parallel to the recovery coil, a noticeable drag appeared. Maybe that is why they switched form capacitors to the batteries?
I also would like to hear what Peter has to say about this

Jetijs,

That 2000v in the self-runner setup which I intend to build later with my Nd magnets are extracted from the magnetic "wind" around the wheel I suppose. Because it is a different phenomenon. It is not the Lenz law, because you pulse the coil away from the magnets, somewhere between. Thus I conclude that the 2000 volt spikes are caused by the magnetic wind around your wheel, and has little to do with the Lenz law, which is the main cause for dragging. These spikes get produced when the rotor is up to speed, no? BTW, what's the RPM of your rotor when you see the 2000v spikes?

I also have noticed how to get energy out of coils too without dragging the rotor. If the coil you built didn't have any Iron, It will hardly drag the rotor while charging a capacitor up to a voltage, and if you move the Iron near the wheel while the capacitor is charging up, then you'll notice almost no drag on the rotor, and you have charged your capacitor which you can dump it somewhere. The trick is to design a system which moves the cores of the coils back and forth as it turns. A some kind of one-way spring may do it. The Iron is attached to the one-way spring and as the magnet passes it attracts it a little bit, step by step, until it reaches a certain point near the rotor which the spring can be released automatically, and everything starts over again. Think about it.

Elias

[Jetijs]

Gmeat, thanks for the link
Elias, my rotor speed was not very high, because I pulsed the coil with a relay and those devices can't operate very fast, maybe 10-12 times a second, that means the highest speed I could afford in order to operate the relay right, was about 600-700 RPM. Of course, the more voltage on the primary side, the more speed, the higher voltage is generated in the recovery coil. But a strange thing is tat when you measure the voltages on the recovery part, they slowly rise as the motor speeds up till they reach about 30-35V and then the high voltage starts to appear. At first I used a recovery coil with a resistance of 10 Ohms with about 2000 turns, I could not get to those 30V even at max RPMs I could afford. Then I made a new recovery coil with about 4000 turns which had about 21 Ohm resistance, this worked well and as soon as the voltage on the recovery reached those 30V, the high voltage appeared. So, the more turns on the coil, the less speed is required to get to the high voltage. This I then pulsed in the primary battery, but I could not get the setup to self run. But when I pulsed the recovery coil into a separate battery, the charging was about the same as that of a charging battery with a standard SSG setup. But with this recovery circuit I charged two batteries instead of just one as in basic SSG circuit and with no drag or noticeable additional current draw

[Peter Lindemann]

Lutec

Gentlemen,

To understand the LEA completely, we would need a lot more information from LUTEC, which we don't have. So let's build up an understanding of what is possible from what we do know.

As Elias has said, if they are using a standard AC generator, it will experience back EMF when it delivers current to the loads. So, there is no magic there.

Let's just imagine, for the sake of convenience, that their "Pulsed DC Motor" has all of the characteristic of the motors we are discussing in the Electric Motor Secrets forum. They claim that the LEA has a COP=3, or so.

Here is how they MIGHT be doing it. Let's say the system draws 100 watts from the primary source and delivers 300 watts to the light bulb load. OK.

If we use a magnetic attraction motor with electrical recovery as the motor, and let's say the mechanical efficiency is 80% and the electrical recovery is 80%, then we should be able to run the motor on 500 watts, produce about a half of a horse power mechanical energy and get 400 watts back. Using circuits like the one I have already shown, the 400 watts of recovered electricity can be recycled back to the front of the circuit to off-set the electricity from the source. So, now the motor can produce about a half of a horse power mechanical energy for a NET input of 100 watts. For the motor alone, that is a COP=4.

If the mechanical energy is used to drive a standard AC generator with 80% efficiency, then the generator should be able to produce approximately 320 watts of NEW electricity to run the light bulbs. So, it is possible to understand the feasibility of their result, even if we don't know exactly how they do it.

The moral of the story is....... the magic is in the "pulsed DC motor" and the ability of recovering most of the electricity that runs it.

If you guys would stay focussed, I've already shown you a viable way to do this.

We can talk about "no back EMF" generators later.

Peter

[elias]

Hi Guy's,


How come nobody has tried a Bedini/Muller type setup .It seems to me it would be an interesting setup.Or maybe even a Lindermann/Muller setup .I know Peter has spoken highly of Bill in The World of Free Energy presentation.Just a thought .

MULLERPOWER.com ... advancing the legacy of Bill Muller's work in Motor/Generators...

-Gmeat

Thanks the link is very interesting.

[gmeat]

Hi Guys,

I'm glad you all liked that link and I hope you found it informative but I think Peter is just trying to take ONE step at a time in his motor design which I also think is the right course to go.I'm sorry for jumping ahead a bit.I just wanted to get an opinion from Peter on Bill's work as I cant seem to find many people who have replicated his work.also, I'm not even sure that this is in fact is the direction Peter is headed and if not than I'm sorry for sidetracking your work Peter.Jetijs, Your motor is looking really nice and I enjoy watching your progress .Thx for all of your hard work and I'm sure you'll have a feeling of great accomplishment after it's all tuned up and running well.

-Gary

[Jetijs]

Here is another link. Watch all those videos - awesome!
The Muller Motor

I found this small motor/generator video especially interesting. He is shorting the output totally and the generator still runs and is very hard to stop by hand. Spectacular!
Small Motor

[Schpankme]

Documentation and Replication

... I found this small motor/generator video especially interesting. Spectacular!

Unfortunately, none of Bill Muller's motors have a level of Documentation that allows one to replicate.

- Schpankme

[Jetijs]

I think, that the only thing we do not know fully about Muller generator/motor is the switching methods and sequence, but I think Peter can tell us more about this, since he visited Mr.Muller personally and is seen in some of those videos (at least I think its him). He saw these machines in action. But even if we do not know these switching issues, we still got much valuable info how to reduce many of the losses that are common in conventional generators. First of all, we need asymmetrical coil/magnet count, this reduces the cogging and some of the drag. Then we need to use strong Neodymium magnets to increase the current production. We need to use a fewer turns of a thicker copper wire on our coils to minimize the resistance. Of course we need a good core material - Metglas or blacksand. Also if we use some of the coils for making the rotor to move, and the remaining ones to generate the power, we can get much of the input energy (BEMF) back and John Bedini and Peter Lindemann already showed us how to do this. Combining all this, we should be able to make at least a very efficient generator.
I think the magic is mostly in the core material. In one of those videos you can see the inventor holding just a simple coil with about maybe 1000 turns, near to the rotating magnets. There was a 300w light bulb connected to that coil. And when he puts this coil near the magnets, the 300w light bulb starts to shine brightly, but the motor doesn't seem to slow down, also he is able to hold his core near the magnets with one hand, knowing the strength of these magnets you would not want to do this, if you used a simple iron core - the magnets would just pull your coil out of your hands, so it is mostly the core material that does the trick. At least that is What I think about this. I may be wrong

[ren]

Jet, I am all for the creation of an efficient alternator! I think we should start a thread and compile all of the info we can find on stator and coil design + core material.

I have seen some explainations on Don Addists site of the Muller motor that described it well. Whether they are a true representation of its actual functions I do not know.

From how I understand it there are 7 magnets and eight coils. In the right proportions there is only ever one coil aligned with one magnet, all others are slightly or totally out of phase. The magnet that is aligned is pulsed and this occurs in a circular motion around the circumference until you get back to the start. All coils are producing current besides the one being pulsed.

The coils are a large gauge for maximum current output. There is an interesting page here in regards to a similar system. (page 10) http://www.totallyamped.net/adams. Note his choice of a hollow core, as he states that up to 90% of the current is produced on the outside layer of the core. This is another way you could reduce friction.

[gmeat]

When will you be out so I can swipe that Rotor

Hi Ren,


Thx for that link it's very interesting .Where did you get that plastic rotor on your monopole motor or did you make it yourself (want to sell it) .I really have to make one of those for myself.Any suggestions for sourcing something like that is appreciated.


-gmeat

[elias]

LEDs don't drag!

Hi,

For generator, It is very interesting to note that adding LEDs to the output of the coil as many as I could, did not draw more current from the coils! The brightness of them seemed unaltered. I know that LEDs can light up with Radiant energy, but this was an interesting observation.

Elias