This is why we don't have free energy

[cikljamas]

I've just stumbled upon this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKWPht3fU-o#t=153

Paul Baumann is one of the few people in the last 40 years who built and demonstrated fuelless, self-running machines. The reason he was never "suppressed" is that he never showed anyone how or why the machines worked, and was not interested in commercial development.

As a member of the Methernitha Christian Community, in Linden, Switzerland, he firmly believed that humanity was not ready to be responsible for the knowledge.

1. ...The reason he was never "suppressed" is that he never showed anyone how the machines worked?...

This argument seems to contradict the most basic principle-attitude (on this subject) of the majority of free energy enthusiasts which is quite opposite than that: to make public FOR FREE on thousands of servers at once the information humanity is waiting for over a century, as Adurer wrote in his last post...

2. ...humanity was not ready to be responsible for the knowledge...

Isn't this CIA's well known brainwashing mantra?

Video: Free Energy: Methernitha, The Testatika Machine, Inventor, Paul Baumann - YouTube

[Hrothgar]

There's no new car smell

Well, after our talks on Hilbert's Hotel Infinity Paradox, and making reference to BGV theorem in my last post, allow me to present you very interesting story on this topic which you can grasp (in general) by the help of this link:
“Honesty, Transparency, Full Disclosure” and the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin Theorem | Reasonable Faith

The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism: Fritjof Capra: 9781590308356: Amazon.com: Books It's a dry read, so it also cures insomnia.

[dR-Green]

note: I'm not referring to solar, wind or water power.

Why not?

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[Aaron]

Ardurer - misinformation agent, liar and fraud

but wait, there's more, and I must say that pi$$es me off the most. there are a few in-the-know select researchers that 3-letter agencies serve them on a silver platter information on secret free energy technologies. in case you wonder where did they get that information from, here is where:
- from refused patents on the national security reason
- from threatened inventors that decide to sell their inventions
- from stolen inventions (ransack method) after the inventors pass away

so in order to evaluate the potential of those inventions, since they are not scientists (only spies, thieves and assassins) those 3-letter agencies come to those above mentioned researchers and ask them what they're good at. in exchange for their cooperation, those researchers are allowed to pass on to the rest of the world only breadcrumbs from what they found out for free. they claim it's their invention, they pose in heroes at biggest free energy conferences, they sell books, they have a captive group of fans. and they are on this forum.

feel free to share your knowledge on misinformation techniques, because inadvertently you told us from your blunt opinion that you're an expert on the field. bring your arguments and I will bring my documents on you and Peter.

Those last two quotes show why you are a deceiver and a HYPOCRITE. I asked for it? You really have shown yourself to be a liar and a fraud. Why is it you claim to know so many in depth details on how govt agents infiltrate the lives of researchers and manipulate them???

Where are the documents exposing Peter and I? You've had your opportunity to post them, but your nothing but mouth, mouth and more mouth - big hat and no cattle.

Desperation? You should dunk your head in some ice water so you can wake up out of your delusional wishful thinking routine that you're somehow taking credit for exposing some big hidden conspiracy. Just seems like you're not used to someone calling you on all your BS and having no tolerance for your lies. Maybe you're used to getting away with that kind of stupidity and it has never been pointed out but people with your mentality are a dime a dozen and the two quotes above clearly show what is operating between your ears. You accuse me of what you actually did! lol

This one deserves a medal...

All those interested should know that one other reason for why we don't have free energy devices is because there are energy related forums - like this one - that are created on purpose and having on their agenda two main goals: 1) get fresh information for free from researchers and 2) make sure they get swamped, discouraged and deceived by contrary opinions, so they can't end their projects. In other words, this forum collects information and sets a thick haze on any promising idea. Think of this forum as a honey pot that lures people into divulging their scientific achievements.

Let's just quote your own statement back to you since you seem to be such an expert on how a forum is supposed to do all of this.

feel free to share your knowledge on misinformation techniques, because inadvertently you told us from your blunt opinion that you're an expert on the field. bring your arguments and I will bring my documents on you and Peter.

Well - you just prove again that you are a HYPOCRITE. LOL You have all these in depth answers as to how govt agencies work, how forums supposedly are setup to distract people, etc... kind of interesting that you're posturing yourself as being the most knowledgeable expert on these subjects around here. I hope I'm not the only one that can see clearly through this garbage.

People, don't get fooled by this fake stage that spies on you. You are too smart to ask for help in here. This is only a controlled environment created by two Jews, Aaron and Peter. I hope you're not offended by your origins Aaron. I know you and Peter hate Jesus Christ, my avatar probably makes you go nuts

Wow! You mean growing up in a baptist church on military bases - my mother growing up in a Southern Baptist church my dad coming to the states originally, which was set up by the baptist missionaries who were a part of the baptist church he grew up in over in Japan - and my own membership in the Royal Ambassadors in the Baptist Church during my early elementary school years was all part of some conspiracy to keep me from ever knowing that I'm actually Jewish? Woah, you either have some magical powers to know all of this about me when I didn't know it myself OR, in reality, you're simply a psychopath who has been smoking too much crack. I think the latter is closer to the truth.

Every time you open your mouth, you don't show what you know - you just reveal what a fraud and liar you are.

The reason for pointing out your Jesus avatar is because the worst ones (like you) are those who hide behind their religious identities. And to be such a flaming HYPOCRITE at that

That is an example of the 180 degree rule - point out that Adurer is a super hypocrite and he uses a Jesus avatar and he turns that around and claims that Peter and I hate Jesus? And he claims "I know...." really? Seems to claim to know all kinds of things that any rational human being would clearly see that there is no way of knowing. This is all part of the delusion of a psychopath.

Anyone who is paying attention can see that this is the method of a psychopath, someone who is programmed for instant gratification like a dog chomping at bits of food on the ground and who can't keep their memory straight of what they said and then what they turn around and accuse others of, the 180 degree rule is a method that psychopaths use to project their own inadequacies, faults and other things they internally hate about themselves onto others... the worst thing about this is that the psychopath is completely addicted to it and they even choose to lie when telling the truth would actually serve them better.

This is a controlled environment created by two Jews - Aaron & Peter? Lay off the crack! Peter is not even a moderator here and has absolutely no official tie with this forum other than being a long time valued member who has contributed an enormous amount of valuable information and never asked for anything in return. To insult and attack him with your lies and stupidity is deplorable as is to do the same to Bedini and Bearden.

With Bearden, I take what makes sense and I leave the rest. He has monumental contributions to this field but I don't go for all his conspiracy theories - I've never been one that throws the baby out with the bath water. I've seen many conspiracy claims over the years against Bearden and have yet to see one single piece of evidence to support any of it. It is always nothing more than talk, talk and more talk - just like what you seem to be good at with no evidence to show for anything.

If there are any distractions going on, it is by low lifes like you who come in to stir up trouble, make false accusations, attempt to seed your self-created delusional "facts" about what is and what isn't, etc... you are fulfilling every claim on your own that you accuse others of. Textbook psychopath.

Rest assured, an international team has everything prepared to make public FOR FREE on thousands of servers at once the information humanity is waiting for over a century.

And next you'll direct me to a website selling real estate in the swamp lands of Florida? Many psychopaths just like you have come and gone over the years with this exact claim and to date it has a 100% failure rate of ever coming true. Another psychopathic grandiose "big lie" claim that you're in the know of this impending disclosure that will save the world. And of course if that ever happened, psychos like you will be the first to step forward lying to everyone that THAT is the disclosure you were talking about. You are a freaking nut case supreme as was apparent from your very first couple posts in this thread - could see it a mile away.

You'll be removed from this forum because of your mouth - you have crossed the line. You lie and insult my personal friends and have absolutely zero evidence to back up any of your ludicrous claims. You just attacked every Jewish member of this board with your racism - exposing even more about yourself.

You had plenty of opportunity to present evidence to back your claims about Peter, myself or others and the only thing you actually have is mouth, mouth and more mouth.

I am not a Jew but I have closes Jewish friends just like I have close Arab friends and friends from all kinds of backgrounds. I love all people no matter where they are from or what they believe but I won't go for any radical garbage from any religion and you are obviously a high and mighty Christian radical supremest suffering from serious paranoid delusions and delusions of grandeur which you have so clearly demonstrated in your psycho-pathological ways.

Degenerates like you have claimed I'm a Rothschild Zionist who pushes Einstein and that I'm some part of some secret conspiracy even though I've taught this for nearly the last 10 years: Curvature of Space/Time my model flushes Einstein's science down the drain with 3rd grade math and 9th grade equations. Einstein was a fraud and a liar who refused to admit that Dayton Miller's findings were actually true and accurate because it would make his whole house of cards fall down.

Peter never stole a thing from Eric - the culprit back in the Borderland days is someone completely different and Eric is going to release an entire expose on that person in the near future.

Not the best recording but obviously Eric knows Peter wasn't actually involved or this wouldn't be happening: Eric Dollard interviewed by Peter Lindemann 7/30/2013 - YouTube

Bedini is a CIA slave? That is so pathetically stupid there are no words to describe it.

Good bye - attacking my friends is unacceptable, lies and false claims against me that you refuse to show evidence of is unacceptable, racial attacks against ANYONE of any background is unacceptable and the list goes on. This thread will remain intact and your posts will stay so that anytime, anywhere that you claim you're being censored, everyone will know that you are nothing more than a liar.

Now you can focus on sharing your delusions with the beach ball with a wig sitting on the chair next to you. And looking forward to the grand disclosure that you're a part of that is coming soon that will save the world - makes my job so much easier!

[Aaron]

solar solutions

Why not?

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They don't have a high enough sexiness rating to make it to his criteria list I guess.

If over 1.0 COP solutions that are ALREADY here are admitted to be valid solutions to energy problems then that would negate the whole conspiracy theory that energy solutions are being stopped and his delusion would disappear and he needs to maintain that delusion in order to feel normal.

I understand there has been a lot of suppression on the more exotic free energy solutions, but I also understand that NONE of them are needed to solve every energy problem in the world.

Stanford R. Ovshinsky Solar Panels - YouTube

Stan Ovshinsky came up with that method for making cheap, low light, thin film solar panels. They can literally crank these out like candy in high volume. This whole technology has been suppressed. His goal was cheap solar and that was stopped big time. With the development of today's manufacturing methods, etc... these panels could probably be produced for less than 10 cents per watt or cheaper. This would make it extremely cost effective to blanket every roof on the planet and the technology and method is ALREADY developed.

Someone with big pockets and a lot of guts has to just make them and put them out regardless of what kind of push-back they get.

You can get these kind of panels now but not at the cheap prices they can be made for like what Ovshinsky envisioned.

Maybe 3-D printers can eventually make these cells cheap - I don't know but it is obvious that exotic Tesla technologies or otherwise are simply not required to solve the energy problems. I would rather have some self running motor in a box powering my home than solar panels - who wouldn't?

But Adurer's list of PRACTICAL criteria actually rules out what is actually the most practical of all! Oh, the irony.

[Farmhand]

Quote:
Originally Posted by adurer
note: I'm not referring to solar, wind or water power.

Why not?

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I think Aruder wanted to exclude those because we all know of them already and
many of us already use them and they have their drawbacks. Most here I would
wager over 90% of posters are looking for sources of energy other than those
three. I would have thought that was obvious.

So other than those sources of free energy, is there any other devices on this
site that show real free energy being used 24/7 in any significant amount ?

Important question. I mean real devices that people are willing to demonstrate
and show evidence of valid measurements being made.

I say no there isn't. And I ask. Why not ?
There is no end of talk about it but nothing is shown.

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[forelle]

Why not?
Why does the official Bedini SG forum (energyscienceforum) show a bicyclewheel which they are selling, how you charge one battery with the other, so far i see nobody has a working device, exept Bedini (i hope so), i dont know why he is not asking this question to his administrators.Every second a child is starving and most time the answers to my questions are"have fun with experimenting".I do not want to have fun its about saving the World and starving people.Where should there be fun?I have lost many friends because i am the crazy guy which is dreaming of "perpetuum mobile".I have no Problem to be a Misfit but it shall come to a point where you want to see that your on the wright track, for what you give up your normal life.It comes out that all free energy forums are the last place where you get a working device.The last chance i see is that hopefully Tesla patents and his theories are right, who knows.

[erfinder]

A thought experiment

A rotor fitted with 12x neo magnets with the holding power of 100Kg each equates to roughly 1200Kg of stress on the space surrounding that rotor. It's an amazing amount of stress on the space surrounding that wheel when you think about it, and I find it unfortunate that we aren't taught to see it that way, for if we were, we would begin to perceive our connection to the environment. We would begin to contemplate the exchange rate between the environment and the magnets on that rim. We would begin considering the effect that centrifugal force, an unseen, but measurable force, a force which increases with increasing speed, a force which is associated with mass, mass being directly related to (in my view) current, current here, equates to the substance circulating inside those 12 magnets. Those magnets, in their static condition represented 1200Kg of stress, those same magnets in motion now represent the static 1200Kg plus the whatever extra (to be determined) that centrifugal force adds to the to the system?

When you look at your magnet orientation from the perspective of this mass associated force, the idea behind why a single polarity is suggested begins to make more sense.

We don't have what we want because we don't know what we want.


Regards

[cikljamas]

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Read or download The Miracle In The Atom

I think Aruder wanted to exclude those because we all know of them already and
many of us already use them and they have their drawbacks. Most here I would
wager over 90% of posters are looking for sources of energy other than those
three. I would have thought that was obvious.

So other than those sources of free energy, is there any other devices on this
site that show real free energy being used 24/7 in any significant amount ?

Important question. I mean real devices that people are willing to demonstrate
and show evidence of valid measurements being made.

I say no there isn't. And I ask. Why not ?
There is no end of talk about it but nothing is shown.

..

Friend, i am just wondering if you could build something like this at your farm:
This is just TOO cool! (Danger: Do not try at YOUR home) - YouTube
I know you could build it, but for the same amount of money you could build also something much more useful, so it was just a joke (in this practical sense), but it was not a joke in the sense of disclosure of the potential of the cosmic energy...

Tesla Coil Practical Applications | Tesla FAQ No. 45 | Interesting Facts About Nikola Tesla
"The True Wireless" by Nikola Tesla
What applications do Tesla coils have today?

The question is: are the problems associated with wireless transmission outweighing any potential benefit? The right answer is 'probably yes' but just because of unwillingness of petrodollar slave owners to let loose their petrodollar slaves, so that they could be free people again...

But beside cosmic energy we have plenty of water and functional radio waves spliting water technology which implementation would be much cheaper, and that is why radio waves spliting water technology is the appropriate, optimal, and the most desirable direction in which (IMHO) we should keep focusing our attention on our path (in quest for free energy)!

These bonds are ten times weaker than typical chemical bondsRecent research shows that water molecules form clusters in the liquid, in particular a cage-like structure with six molecules. This is our body temperature, suggesting that this is one of the many intricate design features we have.

Ultrasonic Electrolysis: This design may enable cars to run on water.


Cheers!

[Peter Lindemann]

Response to False Allegations

To the Members of this Forum,

This thread has seen a number of specific and implied allegations about me that I feel it is only fair to respond to, since Aaron has decided to leave the thread in tact for historic purposes.

In particular, I would like to address the statements regarding whether I am a Jew, and my sentiments toward Jesus.

My name is Peter Andrew Lindemann. My family on my father's side were Lutheran Christians who emigrated from Germany to the USA in the 1860s. On my mother's side, her ancestors also came from Germany, and they practiced the teachings of Christian Science. I was baptized, brought up and confirmed in the Lutheran Church. That is my lineage and my upbringing.

I have, from a very early age, been interested in religion and spiritual truth. I have meditated for 40 years. In general, I do not discuss these matters in public, especially on a Science Forum. I was brought up Christian, but by my mid-20s I had studied most of the major religions of the world, except Islam. My personal conclusions were that Humanity had been lied to about religious matters as thoroughly as it had been lied to about scientific matters.

That said, I still decided for myself that Jesus taught the highest philosophical "art of living" that has ever been elucidated in history. While the ideas of loving God first, and everyone else as you love yourself, are clearly stated in "old testament Judaism", Jesus did everything he could to raise these ideas to the pinnacle of importance. While his first century followers built up a religion ABOUT Jesus, the man himself LIVED a religion of faith in God, service to his fellows, forgiveness for everyone who honestly seeks to correct errors in their lives, and the hope that we can survive the death of our body by identifying and becoming at-one with the essence of God's Spirit that lives within us, which many people believe he personally did.

I hold Jesus in my heart above all other Spiritual Masters and seek to live my life according to his teachings. This is my attitude toward Jesus.

That said, Jesus was born a Jew and lived every single day of his earthly life as a Jew. The idea that there is something wrong with "being a Jew" or that being called a Jew is meant to cause shame or embarrassment is ignorant and hateful. These ideas are in direct opposition to the way that Jesus lived and the message that he taught.

And even though it is no one's business, my wife's family is Jewish, and collectively, they are some of the finest people I have ever known. I am not embarrassed in the slightest to be called a Jew, (which I am not) or a "Jew lover", or any other name that associates me with Jewish people that is specifically meant as a cultural slur or slander. I am unashamed and unmoved by such fear based ignorance.

I have expanded on these ideas for one reason, and one reason only; to rebut the statements of Adurer about me. I am not proselytizing any religious ideas. I am simply stating, for the record, what I believe, so forum readers in the future can decide what it all means for themselves.

Thank you for letting me digress, and now hopefully, the discussion can return to the topic of this thread.

Peter

[Stealth]

Peter, I like your rebuttal, although I do not see why anyone would need to defend their race, religion or any other aspect of their lives. We are all free willed beings, allowed to believe and think what we want. We face many obstacles throughout life and make decisions based on those circumstances. Only we can determine if we made the correct decisions, based on future events. No one I know can reliably predict the future, but many of us can look into the past and see where we should have done something different. Life itself is about making decisions that affect our lives, and many times others lives as well. We should be kind, loving and forgiving toward each other and respect each others views, even if they don't reflect our own. I try not to pass judgement on anyone. I read many posts here but do not respond to many. I think about what has been revealed and try to insert the knowledge into my designs and experiments. I have gained valuable insight into many areas through others expertise. I will not go into why I think we don't have free energy but I will say if only most could read between the lines they would see that free energy is not only a possibility but a reality. Good Luck. stealth

[Joit]

To the Members of this Forum,

Peter

Seriously, its easier to remove them quick out of the Forum as to give out more personal infos, what then the next Rat from this Network can use at the next Chance, no Matter if they then try to defend with that dummy argmument and cry "censored censored" when they better should shut up. Her attitude is way out of the normal behave, they shouldnt wonder if they got removed, but i doubt they care about how they treat others.
At this example from this guy, I did nothing believe from all that garbage he spit out.
I remeber how this Forum was before some Years, its was way better with lesser of these "Individuals" what tried to accuse or "enlighten" certain Peoples here.
I also see the Point why Plans get sold here and not given away for free, because just at the moment, as some had some things to offer for free,
a Jerk jumped in with a smile, and posted that he now can patent a thing what he cant claim credit for it.

At the other hand i found here a lot Infos about some Devices what been given away for free, and none can claim, anything here is only sucked up to sell it at an other Place. So its plain another Lie from this Guy that anything is only sold from here what others work out.

But seems all Topics with Titles like this one attracks them like rats out from her holes, that they can disrupt it in any way. And only proofs the Point what the Topic starter allready pointed out, they are everywhere.

[cikljamas]

To the Members of this Forum,

This thread has seen a number of specific and implied allegations about me that I feel it is only fair to respond to, since Aaron has decided to leave the thread in tact for historic purposes.

In particular, I would like to address the statements regarding whether I am a Jew, and my sentiments toward Jesus.

My name is Peter Andrew Lindemann. My family on my father's side were Lutheran Christians who emigrated from Germany to the USA in the 1860s. On my mother's side, her ancestors also came from Germany, and they practiced the teachings of Christian Science. I was baptized, brought up and confirmed in the Lutheran Church. That is my lineage and my upbringing.

I have, from a very early age, been interested in religion and spiritual truth. I have meditated for 40 years. In general, I do not discuss these matters in public, especially on a Science Forum. I was brought up Christian, but by my mid-20s I had studied most of the major religions of the world, except Islam. My personal conclusions were that Humanity had been lied to about religious matters as thoroughly as it had been lied to about scientific matters.

That said, I still decided for myself that Jesus taught the highest philosophical "art of living" that has ever been elucidated in history. While the ideas of loving God first, and everyone else as you love yourself, are clearly stated in "old testament Judaism", Jesus did everything he could to raise these ideas to the pinnacle of importance. While his first century followers built up a religion ABOUT Jesus, the man himself LIVED a religion of faith in God, service to his fellows, forgiveness for everyone who honestly seeks to correct errors in their lives, and the hope that we can survive the death of our body by identifying and becoming at-one with the essence of God's Spirit that lives within us, which many people believe he personally did.

I hold Jesus in my heart above all other Spiritual Masters and seek to live my life according to his teachings. This is my attitude toward Jesus.

That said, Jesus was born a Jew and lived every single day of his earthly life as a Jew. The idea that there is something wrong with "being a Jew" or that being called a Jew is meant to cause shame or embarrassment is ignorant and hateful. These ideas are in direct opposition to the way that Jesus lived and the message that he taught.

And even though it is no one's business, my wife's family is Jewish, and collectively, they are some of the finest people I have ever known. I am not embarrassed in the slightest to be called a Jew, (which I am not) or a "Jew lover", or any other name that associates me with Jewish people that is specifically meant as a cultural slur or slander. I am unashamed and unmoved by such fear based ignorance.

I have expanded on these ideas for one reason, and one reason only; to rebut the statements of Adurer about me. I am not proselytizing any religious ideas. I am simply stating, for the record, what I believe, so forum readers in the future can decide what it all means for themselves.

Thank you for letting me digress, and now hopefully, the discussion can return to the topic of this thread.

Peter

Dr. Reisman on The Croatian Resistance - YouTube

What i just have tried to depict you was real picture about the level of "democracy" in Croatia which is (demolishing towards unrecognisability) in fact unbelievable tyranny of the worst kind in which there is no actual right of free speech.

And free speech is something that on this forum is possible (unlike on croatian main forum: forum.hr) ,and that is the main point that i have wanted to stress here!

Even if someone is wrong (and IMHO Adurer was wrong by mentioning someone's nationality or heritage, because someone's nationality or heritage has nothing to do with anything) it is great thing that you have allowed him to say what he had had to say, what ever reason he might had had to say what he have said.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Voltaire

[cikljamas]

Free energy proved:
A Machine To Die For: The Quest For Free Energy(part 1 of 5) - YouTube
Freedom of speech in Croatia disproved:
Dr. Judith Reisman vs primitivci, galamdžije i nasilnici - YouTube

[cikljamas]

How about this:
Free Energy ??? - Fact or Fake ? Wasif Kahloon showing selfrunning magnet motor - YouTube

How about this:
free energy device self running powering lightbulb - RomeroUK Muller Motor - Generator - YouTube

Well, is there free energy, or not? Tell me...

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