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**Galaxion** · 03-17-2013, 01:31 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CzTCh8yLdNk @1:05:40)

At the end of 2005 and the beginning of 2006 several static plasma reactors were built to confirm the theoretical principles of the technology. These static reactors all work at room temperature and at normal atmospheric pressure, and provide voltage and current.

Since the beginning of 2006 several prototypes of dynamic plasma reactors specifically designed to achieve lift and motion have been built and successfully tested.

(Keshe Foundation, Introduction: http://keshefoundation.org/introduct...-keshe-en.html)

Keshe filed his two original patent applications in October 2005. After the negative verdict of the patent examiners of the European Patent Office from March 2009 he wrote several letters trying to change their mind. Among other things he makes the following request:

[W]e request the Examining Division [...] to accept our proposal to to a basic test with a static plasma (bottle) reactor in front of the Examining division of the European Patent Office.

(EP1770715, Reply to communication from the Examining Division, 07/14/2009, https://register.epo.org/espacenet/a...g=en&npl=false)

**Farmhand** · 03-17-2013, 01:38 AM

I agree.

And one of his buddies is Konstantin Meyl.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Where is the free energy ? They are both full of it. Distractors.

Cheers

**Ein~+ein** · 03-17-2013, 01:09 PM

Keshe... a scammer?!?! He was on PESN's Top 5 list! You gotta be joking! Tell me you're joking! Do you know how much my ticket to the moon cost!?!?!?!?

**Galaxion** · 03-17-2013, 02:27 PM

For Keshe newbies here one example of Keshe's famous moon ticket offer:

FLIGHT TO THE MOON:
THE FOUNDATION IS ACCEPTING RESERVATION FOR TRIP TO THE MOON FOR 2016_2017 FOR THE PRICE OF 50 000 EUROS.
　
You can by your ticket for your demonstration of technology
flight to space and the trip to the Moon from.

Spaceship Institute

http://www.keshespace.com/

From Observer To Traveler

(http://keshetechnologies.blogspot.co...ts-in-sky.html on 08/14/2009)

And still (according to Keshe's assertion, which seems roughly credible in this case) about 150 poor chaps paid 500 EUR deposit for his "Keshe generators", whose delivery he will postpone the fourth time in April ...

**Galaxion** · 03-17-2013, 04:21 PM

A few more gems from Keshe's time on the NASA spaceflight forum 2006/2007:

[T]he technology has gone in full package to China and will be in public domain as compleate craft and system in the next few month.

(Keshe on 06/22/2007: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/ind...4423#msg154423)

if gravity is not magnetic field based, how come matters get attracted to each other [...]

(Keshe on 06/23/2007: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/ind...5087#msg155087)

Ventrater: What about terraforming Mars with Phobos? [...] (Phobos is 10 000 billions tonnes).

MTKeshe: Can you explain what PHOBOS mean?
or what is suppose to do?

(Keshe on 07/19/2007: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/ind...2972#msg162972)

The space reactors under development, use the nuclear material for creation of magnetic fields and load bearing rotors for perpetual motion, [...].

[...]

The date of the first trial most probably will be known before the end of this year [2007], due to simplicity of the system and its opration, this date will not be any further than the end of 2008 for the first space tested unit.

(Keshe on 08/26/2007: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/ind...0544#msg180544)

**Blargus** · 03-19-2013, 09:27 AM

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence right? Though, about Professor Meyl, I've replicated his Tesla pancake coil single wire power transfer via the open source plans made by Steve Jackson and it does appear to work.

Mike

**Galaxion** · 03-20-2013, 11:50 PM

More Keshe moon fun via the Wayback Machine (I promise to post something more serious soon

):

The Moon trips (2016-2017)

KESHE SPACE EXPLORATION AND HABITATION SYSTEMS N.V. i.o (Belgium) offers to the general public space trips to the Moon, where each trip will include visits to four historical Apollo sites (Apollo program) on the Moon. The spacecraft will have a stoppage of 2 hours on four Apollo sites to give the passengers the opportunity to photograph and video the sites and the artefacts (flags, foot of the LM, LRV, Surveyor 3). The trips will be broadcasted worldwide through tv-channels and the Internet. The passengers receive on return a certificate. During these trips passengers cannot disarmbark from the craft. In later voyages this will be possible.

(www.keshefoundation.com/spaceexploration/moon_trip.html in 2009)

Don't forget to download the full program (pdf).

**Web000x** · 03-21-2013, 02:38 AM

Did anybody ever consider that in order to 'disprove' something you must have incredibility. Many of the ideas that Keshe has do indeed exist in realizable technological advancements, however, very few tech-savy folks are privy to the information of the how-to-guide. To discredit something in the public eye, you must discredit a 'professional opinion'. This is your status-quo funded scapegoat, Dr. Keshe.

Dave

**Galaxion** · 03-21-2013, 03:12 AM

@Web000x: How much more incredibility do you need?Did you read this whole thread, and not only the last post? I don't know how familiar you are with Keshe's ideas and theories, but let me state clearly (and I'm very serious about this): There is no relationship between Keshe's ideas and "realizable technological advancements". There is exactly one reason why neither he himself nor any of the "Keshe work groups" has produced any tangible result (except from "coke bottle reactors" -- and even these can easily be explained based on established science) since 2005, when he started his current career as technology guru: because his theories are utter and total nonsense.

**Galaxion** · 03-22-2013, 04:32 PM

One of Keshe's most fundamental claims is that his infamous "coke bottle reactors" are able to deposit "atomic layers" of unusual materials like graphen or diamond on the used electrodes. I will discuss the "diamond" case first. Keshe claims (please take a short look at the linked website, it helps understanding the matter):

We have proof [...] that our systems deposit diamond-like crystals on various types of conductive materials, where the electronic diamond tester indicates the presence of diamond. The professional diamond testing device used is the Diamond Selector 2 of the Culti brand.

(Keshe foundation, Diamond layering)

First of all, the Culti Diamond Selector II is by no means a scientific instrument. It costs, depending on where you buy it, between US$ 25 .. 100, and is very specifically directed at differentiating diamonds from most (but not all) diamond simulants (for example cubic zirconium and white corundum). For this purpose it may be an acceptable choice.

Like most cheap diamond testers it works simply by measuring the rate of heat dissipation from a heated metal tip to the test item. Based on this rate the thermal conductivity of the test item is roughly determined. Diamonds have a very high thermal conductivity (higher than all metals), while most (but not all) diamond simulants have a far lower thermal conductivity. The result is displayed and used to decide if the test item is a diamond.

It is important to understand that this device only determines the thermal conductivity of the test item. It can in no other way "recognize" diamonds. A relatively imprecise measurement is sufficient, because the difference in thermal conductivity between diamonds and the group of diamond simulants this device is designed for is quite large (20:1 and higher). This is the reason this device can, for example, not distinguish moissanites from diamonds, because these have a thermal conductivity much closer to diamonds than most other diamond simulants.

Therefore anything with a thermal conductivity even remotely similar to a diamond will be tested positive by this device. This applies especially to many metals. The manual of the device explicitly warns of this:

The thermal conductivity of the metal is very high and can give the same indication as a Diamond with most Thermal Probes.

(Culti Diamond Selector II, Manual)

So metal can give "the same indication as a diamond". And what is Keshe measuring? Metal items. Therefore all these "measurements" are utterly worthless.

Even apart from this, a device which works based on the rough measurement of heat dissipation is utterly unsuited for measurements of extremely thin layers of material anyway.

If we, in favour of Keshe, rule out that this is a case of purposeful deception, the only other possibility is a complete lack of understanding of the simple scientific principle on which the used measuring device works. Instead he obviously used wishful thinking that this device is somehow "magically" able to recognize diamond structures.

**Galaxion** · 03-22-2013, 04:44 PM

Even more outlandish than Keshe's claim of "diamond-like" deposits on his "coke bottle reactor" electrodes, is his idea of "graphene" deposits. Graphene is a special form of carbon (like diamond is another special form of carbon), and has several highly unusual and interesting properties. The known processes to produce significant amounts of graphene are complicated, and none of them resembles even remotely Keshe's "coke bottle reactor". The buildup of graphene on the electrodes would be hard to explain within the framework of established science, and seems therefore highly questionable. It is difficult to thoroughly analyze the chemical and electrical processes in Keshe's "coke bottle reactor" because he never revealed the composition of the "Kt liquid" he uses for this purpose. However, based on the color of the deposits it seems far more likely that they simply consist of ordinary copper(II) oxide or some similar copper compound.

Since Keshe is making an extraordinary claim here, it is his obligation to deliver extraordinary proof. This alleged proof is a "raman spectroscopy" of the deposits on one of his "coke bottle reactor" electrodes. Raman spectroscopy is an advanced analysis method, and can, among other things, be used to characterize materials. It is generally a feasible method to detect the presence of graphene.

Keshe claims that this raman spectroscopy has been performed in 2006 by an "independent laboratory" and that the results have been released in a confidential report. The first thing quite dubious here is that Keshe is very reluctant to actually name the institute which has performed the analysis. He mentions the raman spectroscopy often, but nearly always the institute remains nameless as an "independent laboratory" or a "leading nano institute". Even more secretive is Keshe about the report itself. In 2007 he writes:

We can not release the findings of the report, but we are allowed through lawyers and long negotiations to release the Raman spectroscopy graph of the report to confirm the correctness the findings.

(Keshe on 07/11/2007)

Keshe published the small diagram he mentions here (which indeed seems to confirm the presence of graphene) on several occasions, but he stopped (for unknown reasons) making it (or any publication containing it) available on his website some years ago. The value of the diagram alone without any context is of course extremely limited.

As far as I know, nothing except this diagram is so far generally known about the actual raman spectroscopy report from which it originates. And to this day Keshe has declined all requests to make it available. However, he overlooked something (or he hoped that nobody would ever find out). When he filed his patent application EP1770717, he subsequently filed this report as an annex. Therefore the European Patent Office published it (which is part of the normal process) when it published the patent application itself in 2007. So here is Keshe's mysterious raman spectroscopy report: https://register.epo.org/espacenet/a...g=en&npl=false . Note: The EP number is different from the one I mentioned above because the European Patent Office uses two different numbering schemes for different purposes. You can also access the report from the main website of the patent application via the link in my original comment above under: "Amendments received before examination".

The document (6 pages), is a technical report from the Interuniversity Microelectronics Center (IMEC), an acknowledged research institute in Belgium, and dated 07/06/2006. Beginning here, however, things get very strange. The whole document mentions Keshe, his foundation, or anything else even remotely reminding of Keshe not even once. There is no description or any other information about the nature and origin of the sample that is analyzed, apart from that it has "dark areas", "light areas" and "darker areas". The "Purpose" is simply stated as: "Raman experiment on a sample whether there are sp2 or sp3 clusters" (sp2 and sp3 are special forms of carbon). Do me a favour and look over the document yourself (it's only 6 pages) and tell me if you find any evidence that this document has anything to do with Keshe and his "coke bottle reactor" electrodes.

It gets stranger. There is a "Figure 1" in the document with the description "Position where spectrum S1 I taken, dark area on the sample". This "Figure", which obviously should picture the sample, or a part of it, is blackened out. Initially I pondered whether the darkness could be the result of a very dark photography, but a quick check confirmed that it is completely black.

It gets even more strange. All pages of the document are marked as "IMEC CONFIDENTIAL". The distribution list is remarkably short: "IMEC: Stephanie Teugels, External: -". This is obviously an IMEC internal document that was at least at the time when it was written not intended for Keshe or anyone else outside IMEC. There is no mark on it that the confidentiality has ever been lifted.

This document is, without any further explicit confirmation from IMEC, utterly unacceptable as "proof" for any of Keshe's claims. Altogether the serious oddities in relation to this document raise the severe suspicion that it has nothing to do with Keshe and his "coke bottle reactor" electrodes at all.

**Farmhand** · 03-22-2013, 09:33 PM

Good work Galaxian, The sooner these deceptive conmen are seen for what they
are the better off we will all be.

It is right and proper for Keshe to back up his claims with evidence and
independent testing. THe onus of proof is on the claimant.

Otherwise I could claim i can disappear or teleport and it would be up to others
to prove I can't which is just ridiculous and moronic to think I could make claims
and give no proof and expect people to just believe it, whats more troubling is
that there are people who defend his right to not need to prove anything.

This calls into question the credibility of the people defending Keshe's right to
make claims with little evidence and no proof.

If Keshe or anyone else could make over unity devices or devices that break
the known laws of physics, but won't show any proof or give detailed build
instructions or lay out the theory and experimental results at least.
Then what good is it ?

In my opinion what it does is make money for him from conned investors as
well as make a whole lot of people sit back and say it's all under control Keshe
will save us and yet cause other people to waste time and effort trying to
replicate the devices with insufficient info. As well as cause all kinds of
"do gooders" who will believe anything to go on a PR drive for a man they
don't even know.

He and Meyl are buddies, I don't trust Meys intentions either, I don't buy the whole
"scalar waves" thing it's a contradiction of terms or an oxymoron. I don't think
it is something a scientist should say. eg. my understanding is a scalar is a
constant or unchanging value in time with no vector, by definition a wave is a
period of time or space that has a constantly varying value over time or
space. I'm not a trained professor but a wave and a scalar appear to be two
almost opposite things.

Is there anything at all we can look at to verify any of Keshe's claims ? Should
we even bother ?

Cheers

**Galaxion** · 03-23-2013, 02:29 AM

News: Keshe got disinvited from a new energy congress in Germany in May. The organizer (the swiss Jupiter-Verlag) had made it a nonnegotiatable precondition for Keshe's presentation that he must practically demonstrate one of his "3-4kW generators", to which Keshe had originally agreed. Since he promised to deliver about 150 of these generators in mid April, it should be no problem to demonstrate one in mid May. Many German Keshe fans had high hopes for this congress. Two days ago however, the first inofficial notice appeared that Keshe's presentation had been canceled. Yesterday someone in a German forum inquired of the organizer whether this is true and got a confirmation. Keshe had withdrawn his consent to practically demonstrate a generator and got accordingly disinvited.

Draw your own conclusions what this means for the generator delivery in mid April.

**Ein~+ein** · 03-23-2013, 06:18 AM

Who here seconds my nomination for a poll listing inventors with their devices and how strongly we believe or disbelieve their claims? (This is not the first time I've suggested this but since Aaron is 'through with me', it's up to you.)

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